Warning - Independent thinking alert - shut down all systems

by donny 34 Replies latest jw friends

  • mraimondi
    mraimondi

    Jehovah = yahweh

    Jesus = yeshua

    this much is true

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    CatTail.."Everyone who thinks Jehovah is a mistranslation of the Hebrew tetragram must be a dimwit"....Why?..That makes no sense at all..Knowing the truth about the origin of a word,makes you educated..Defending a 14th century translation error.After it has been pointed out to you it is a translation error, makes you a DimWit!!..LOL!!

    (like OUTLAW! Since were ...Do you mean "we`re"?...I can see why a translation error would`nt mean much to you,spelling is a big enough challange!!..LOL!!..calling dimwits what they seem to be....Yes,you have made your point..Translation mistakes and inccorect spelling are not a problem with you..LOL!!......................................................) If Jehovah is a mistranslation then so is the spelling Jesus....Please tell us why?..The name Jesus,has been used since the time of Jesus..And ..Well before....The name Jehovah has only been used for the last 700+years..If your just going to make up a name for God,Whats wrong with HeathCliff or Brunno?..How about "Ugg the Horrible"?..LOL!!..............If you don't get that then you're not even in the discussion....Your ability to reason,is going to have to get much better.Before you will be able to understand what a Translation Error is and the importance of it............................................... Go read some books. (Especially helpful will be those not written by dimwits)...You should really buy a dictionary..And..Take all the shiny objects off your computer desk,before you attempt to debate...........................................LOL!!...OUTLAW

  • cattails
    cattails

    You're just trying to get a reaction out of me, aren't you, OUTLAW?

    You can't admit you're wrong and turn the discussion into an 'ad feminam' attack.

    Do you know the difference? Why isn't it Yahshuah like the Messianic Jews spell it?

    What's the point of discussing anything intelligent with you, OUTLAW? Waste of time!

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    Cattails, whats your point? That JW's have it right to call the Tetragrammaton "Jehovah"? That is belongs in the NT?

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    You're just trying to get a reaction out of me, aren't you, OUTLAW?..I`m telling you the truth,CatTails.....And..You can`t handle the Truth..Or..Spell.........LOL!!

    You can't admit you're wrong and turn the discussion into an 'ad feminam' attack....I`m not wrong..And..I have no idea what sex you are......"Trev" pretended to be a woman for the longest time on this board..We get all kinds of Crazies here..Including ones that ignore 14th century Translation mistakes,made by Catholic Monks..

    Do you know the difference? Why isn't it Yahshuah like the Messianic Jews spell it?...The topic is about the name Jehovah and it`s Origins..Not how Jew`s spell Yahshuah..Or..Any other "StrawMan" you wish to toss my way.....I told you to take all the shiny objects off your computer desk..You seem to have a hard time concentrating..Either that,or your a Troll..LOL!!

    What's the point of discussing anything intelligent with you, OUTLAW? Waste of time!...Stick to the subject at hand..Where the name Jehovah originated..Is the task really that difficult for you?

    ...OUTLAW

  • cattails
    cattails

    Alltimejeff, no offense but that wasn't my point dude!

    > The name Jesus,has been used since the time of Jesus..And ..Well before....

    Outlaw, you're so wrong. The letter J is a medieval letter before that there was only I.

    IESUS is the Latin form of Yeshua in Hebrew and Iesous in Greek. How could there

    be an English name with English spelling in use before Jesus time? You must be joking...

    No, judging by the rest of your post, you're starting to sound abusive and disgusting me!

    If there are any Moderators reading this thread, either deal me out of this missery

    or deal with Outlaw's stalking and tell him outright to stop the bullying. Aren't there any means

    to have the forum software block abusive posters from view... There have been certain

    newbies who just disappeared. Can that happen to Outlaw too? If not you might as well

    do me under too. Who wants this ignorant abuser following you from post to post?

    Since Wikipedia was suggested here's the info:

    The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 8, 1910 edition, page 329, states: “Jehovah, the proper name of God in the Old Testament."

    The name Jehovah is used by Jehovah's Witnesses as the personal name of God in English, although the religion recognizes and encourages the use of equivalent names in other languages. [9] [10] [11] Witnesses do not believe that Jehovah is the original pronunciation of the Name, but rather that Jehovah is a commonly used, faithfully translated form of the original Hebrew Name. [12] They give the following position:

    The truth is, nobody knows for sure how the name of God was originally pronounced. Nevertheless, many prefer the pronunciation Jehovah. Why? Because it has a currency and familiarity that Yahweh does not have. Would it not, though, be better to use the form that might be closer to the original pronunciation? Not really, for that is not the custom with Bible names. To take the most prominent example,consider the name of Jesus. Do you know how Jesus' family and friends addressed him in day-to-day conversation while he was growing up in Nazareth? The truth is, no human knows for certain, although it may have been something like Yeshua (or perhaps Yehoshua). It certainly was not Jesus. [13] [5])

    Jewish tradition teaches that YHWH has the vowel points of Adonai , but the vowel points of these two words are not precisely the same, and scholars are not in total agreement as to why YHWH does not have the precise same vowel points as Adonai has.

    The use of the composite "shewa" "hatef segol" in cases where "Elohim" is to be read has led to the opinion that the composite "shewa" "hatef patah" ought to have been used to indicate the reading "Adonay." [ 5 ]

    Transcriptions of YHWH similar to "Jehovah" occurred as early as the 13th century.

    The editors of the Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon write that the pronunciation "Jehovah" was unknown until 1520 when it was introduced by Galatinus but since then the research has brought new light on the matter showing "that Galatinus did not introduce the pronunciation Jehova, but only defended it against those who pronounced Jova" and that "the pronunciation Jehova was current in [Galatinus'] time." [ 25 ]

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Outlaw, you're so wrong. The letter J is a medieval letter before that there was only I....I made no mention of how it was spelled,only that it was used..

    IESUS is the Latin form of Yeshua in Hebrew and Iesous in Greek. How could there "

    be an English name with English spelling in use before Jesus time? You must be joking...Mexican people use the Word Phoneticly spelled (HeyZus)..It still means Jesus

    No, judging by the rest of your post, you're starting to sound abusive and disgusting me!...Poor you!..Are you a victim of your own debating skills?..LOL!!

    If there are any Moderators reading this thread, either deal me out of this missery ...Moderators read most threads..We have great Mods here..If you don`t want to post don`t post..

    or deal with Outlaw's stalking and tell him outright to stop the bullying. Aren't there any means...Your the one that called me out..Now you can`t take the heat..LOL!!

    to have the forum software block abusive posters from view... There have been certain

    newbies who just disappeared. Can that happen to Outlaw too? If not you might as well

    do me under too. Who wants this ignorant abuser following you from post to post? ...This is a thread I was interacting with Donny on..You decieded to make me your business..It did`nt work out the way you planned eh?..LOL!!

    be an English name with English spelling in use before Jesus time? You must be joking...Mexican people use the Word Phoneticly spelled (HeyZus)..It still means Jesus

    No, judging by the rest of your post, you're starting to sound abusive and disgusting me!...Poor you!..Are you a victim of your own debating skills?..LOL!!

    If there are any Moderators reading this thread, either deal me out of this missery ...Moderators read most threads..We have great Mods here..If you don`t want to post don`t post..

    or deal with Outlaw's stalking and tell him outright to stop the bullying. Aren't there any means...Your the one that called me out..Now you can`t take the heat..LOL!!

    to have the forum software block abusive posters from view... There have been c

    "Transcriptions of YHWH

    similar
    to "Jehovah" occurred as early as the 13th century.". ..Similar..Not..The same as!!.....

    "Outlaw, you're so wrong. The letter J is a medieval letter before that there was only I....I made no mention of how it was spelled,only that it was used..

    IESUS is the Latin form of Yeshua in Hebrew and Iesous in Greek. How could there

    be an English name with English spelling in use before Jesus time? You must be joking...Mexican people use the Word Phoneticly spelled (HeyZus)..It still means Jesus

    No, judging by the rest of your post, you're starting to sound abusive and disgusting me!...Poor you!..Are you a victim of your own debating skills?..LOL!!

    If there are any Moderators reading this thread, either deal me out of this missery ...Moderators read most threads..We have great Mods here..If you don`t want to post don`t post..

    or deal with Outlaw's stalking and tell him outright to stop the bullying. Aren't there any means...Your the one that called me out..Now you can`t take the heat..LOL!!

    to have the forum software block abusive posters from view... There have been certain

    newbies who just disappeared. Can that happen to Outlaw too? If not you might as well

    do me under too. Who wants this ignorant abuser following you from post to post? ...This is a thread I was interacting with Donny on..You decieded to make me your business..It did`nt work out the way you planned eh?..LOL!!

    be an English name with English spelling in use before Jesus time? You must be joking...Mexican people use the Word Phoneticly spelled (HeyZus)..It still means Jesus

    No, judging by the rest of your post, you're starting to sound abusive and disgusting me!...Poor you!..Are you a victim of your own debating skills?..LOL!!

    If there are any Moderators reading this thread, either deal me out of this missery ...Moderators read most threads..We have great Mods here..If you don`t want to post don`t post..

    or deal with Outlaw's stalking and tell him outright to stop the bullying. Aren't there any means...Your the one that called me out..Now you can`t take the heat..LOL!!

    to have the forum software block abusive posters from view... There have been certain

    newbies who just disappeared. Can that happen to Outlaw too? If not you might as well do me under too. Who wants this ignorant abuser following you from post to post? ...This is a thread I was interacting with Donny on..You decieded to make me your business..It did`nt work out the way you planned eh?..LOL!

    "Transcriptions of YHWH

    similar
    to "Jehovah" occurred as early as the 13th century.". ..Similar..Not..The same as!!.....

    "Outlaw, you're so wrong. The letter J is a medieval letter before that there was only I....I made no mention of how it was spelled,only that it was used..

    IESUS is the Latin form of Yeshua in Hebrew and Iesous in Greek. How could there

    be an English name with English spelling in use before Jesus time? You must be joking...Mexican people use the Word Phoneticly spelled (HeyZus)..It still means Jesus

    No, judging by the rest of your post, you're starting to sound abusive and disgusting me!...Poor you!..Are you a victim of your own debating skills?..LOL!!

    If there are any Moderators reading this thread, either deal me out of this missery ...Moderators read most threads..We have great Mods here..If you don`t want to post don`t post..

    or deal with Outlaw's stalking and tell him outright to stop the bullying. Aren't there any means...Your the one that called me out..Now you can`t take the heat..LOL!!

    to have the forum software block abusive posters from view... There have been certain

    newbies who just disappeared. Can that happen to Outlaw too? If not you might as well

    do me under too. Who wants this ignorant abuser following you from post to post? ...This is a thread I was interacting with Donny on..You decieded to make me your business..It did`nt work out the way you planned eh?..LOL!!

    be an English name with English spelling in use before Jesus time? You must be joking...Mexican people use the Word Phoneticly spelled (HeyZus)..It still means Jesus

    No, judging by the rest of your post, you're starting to sound abusive and disgusting me!...Poor you!..Are you a victim of your own debating skills?..LOL!!

    If there are any Moderators reading this thread, either deal me out of this missery ...Moderators read most threads..We have great Mods here..If you don`t want to post don`t post..

    or deal with Outlaw's stalking and tell him outright to stop the bullying. Aren't there any means...Your the one that called me out..Now you can`t take the heat..LOL!!

    to have the forum software block abusive posters from view... There have been certain

    newbies who just disappeared. Can that happen to Outlaw too? If not you might as well

    do me under too. Who wants this ignorant abuser following you from post to post? ...This is a thread I was interacting with Donny on..You decieded to make me your business..It did`nt work out the way you planned eh?..LOL!!

    be an English name with English spelling in use before Jesus time? You must be joking...Mexican people use the Word Phoneticly spelled (HeyZeus)..It still means Jesus

    No, judging by the rest of your post, you're starting to sound abusive and disgusting me!...Poor you!..Are you a victim of your own debating skills?..LOL!!

    If there are any Moderators reading this thread, either deal me out of this missery ...Moderators read most threads..We have great Mods here..If you don`t want to post don`t post..

    or deal with Outlaw's stalking and tell him outright to stop the bullying. Aren't there any means...Your the one that called me out..Now you can`t take the heat..LOL!!

    to have the forum software block abusive posters from view... There have been certain

    newbies who just disappeared. Can that happen to Outlaw too? If not you might as well

    do me under too. Who wants this ignorant abuser following you from post to post? ...This is a thread I was interacting with Donny on..You decieded to make me your business..It did`nt work out the way you planned eh?..LOL!!

    "Transcriptions of YHWH

    similar
    to "Jehovah" occurred as early as the 13th century.". ..Similar..Not..The same as!!.....

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    "Outlaw, you're so wrong. The letter J is a medieval letter before that there was only I....I made no mention of how it was spelled,only that it was used..

    IESUS is the Latin form of Yeshua in Hebrew and Iesous in Greek. How could there

    be an English name with English spelling in use before Jesus time? You must be joking...Mexican people use the Word Phoneticly spelled (HeyZeus)..It still means Jesus

    No, judging by the rest of your post, you're starting to sound abusive and disgusting me!...Poor you!..Are you a victim of your own debating skills?..LOL!!

    If there are any Moderators reading this thread, either deal me out of this missery ...Moderators read most threads..We have great Mods here..If you don`t want to post don`t post..

    or deal with Outlaw's stalking and tell him outright to stop the bullying. Aren't there any means...Your the one that called me out..Now you can`t take the heat..LOL!!

    to have the forum software block abusive posters from view... There have been certain

    newbies who just disappeared. Can that happen to Outlaw too? If not you might as welldo me under too. Who wants this ignorant abuser following you from post to post? ...This is a thread I was interacting with Donny on..You decieded to make me your business..It did`nt work out the way you planned eh?..LOL!! Transcriptions of YHWH

    similar
    to "Jehovah" occurred as early as the 13th century.". ..Similar..Not..The same as!!.....

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Sorry for the Double post guys!..I could`nt get the first one to edit properly.......................OUTLAW

  • cattails
    cattails

    > Sorry for the Double post guys!..I could`nt get the first one to edit properly.......................OUTLAW

    Poor you. Sounds like you can't even edit your own posts.

    BTW The spelling of Jehovah couldn't be spelled the same because there was no such thing as a letter J.

    I'm part Mexican, from Texas. You don't need to tell me how Jesus is pronounced in Spanish. It just proves my point.

    But you can't reason because you're a stalking megalomaniac who's been allowed to bully people in this forum.

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