Should Michael Vick Return to the NFL?

by leavingwt 80 Replies latest social current

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  snowbird

  LWT, please overlook my derailment of your thread.

  Yes, Vick should be allowed to return to the NFL.

  I believe he's learned something from this.

  Wow I guess according to that logic Blacks in America cannot be held accountable for anything.

  What do you think about this?

  http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.htm

  I wasn't referring to accountability; I was calling attention to circumstances that contributed to Vick's delinquency, not of Blacks in America.

  I already know about White slavery. It was just as wrong, brutal, and appalling as Black slavery.

  The subject of slavery, African-Americans, Jim Crow, and Civil Rights really bites, doesn't it?

  Sylvia
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  undercover

  I was calling attention to circumstances that contributed to Vick's delinquency,

  How, in the name of all that's Jerry Jones, does anything with slavery have to do with Vick's delinquency?
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  BurnTheShips

  I love dogs. I have three. A lot of my time lately is spent trying to train a rambunctious 3 month old Lab. To me, dogs are the next thing to human. I could never be a part of what he did with those animals. It is wrong. However, football is something of a blood sport. It encourages the raw brutal warrior side of the masculine psyche and channels it into a rules based game. Sports is a substitute for warfare in many ways. We don't any longer belong to a tribe that goes out on campaign every summer against the neighboring one to prove our courage and strength. So we invented sports to fill that male need. Sometimes, this spills over in bad ways. I think that if Vick paid for his crime and has rehabilitated and expressed sufficient public remorse, he should be given a second chance. However, I am not terribly enthusiastic about it.
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  Farkel

  Given his history of arrogance, lack of remorse, unbelievable cruelty and abuse of innocent victims, I think Michael Vick should be promoted to Circuit Overseer. Or at least Elder. And if he continues to polish those skills, he someday may be qualified to be on the Governing Body.

  Farkel
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  snowbird

  How, in the name of all that's Jerry Jones, does anything with slavery have to do with Vick's delinquency?

  The same as how your worldview was shaped by the Confederacy, and don't say it isn't so, because it comes through in all your writings.

  Sylvia
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  LightCloud

  Its one of those things. I never had anything to do with it, my immediate family came over from Poland and Ireland shortly before WWII so they had nothing to do with it, my grandparents and parents grew up in Amish country in Central PA with hardly any black people around and in all actuality when I had gotten any inklings of there thoughts on race they were pretty liberal , my Dad was one of those guilt ridden self hating white man types who bent over backwards to excuse and equivicate anything done by a black person to me or to our family. I have suffered under probably more direct violent race based attacks then 90% of black people so I don't feel they necessarily occupy the moral high ground. I find it amusing that alot of black people cry foul when racial based disrepect is aimed at them, yet in the same breath use racially derogatory names to refer to other races, lump large groups together based on race, and make huge racially based assumptions about peoples behavior yet cannot be called on it. It points to me that some, maybe most don't want the wrongs to be righted they want pay back and then some.

  So while the legacy of slavery in America is someting regretable its not one of those things that makes me ashamed of what my ethnic and cultural heritage is, despite the efforts of people like yourself who seem to think that it trumps anything good that has come from European society and culture while ignoring the fact that Europeans did not invent slavery, were the only ones you gave it up on their own accords (ie the slaves did not overthrow America it fought within itself to right its wrongs), and that it was not the last to practice it (ie slavery exist today by Muslim Arabs in northern Africa of Black christians).
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  undercover

  The same as how your worldview was shaped by the Confederacy, and don't say it isn't so, because it comes through in all your writings.

  Nice deflection...not. You gonna answer the question or not?
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  BurnTheShips

  Why has this turned into a race thing? It shouldn't be.

  BTS
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  sammielee24

  Sorry Snowbird..that's another issue - and most are very aware of all slavery not just in American but around the world. Vick is today's representative of what is ugly and acceptable in America and what he did was without conscience, compassion and inhumane. He does not deserve to play in the sport again. A lot people want reform in sports - including severe penalties for things like the above drinking charges - however, as has to be noted, in Vicks case it was also the sickening act of torture that he took part in and then the killing of those animals after that. Slow torture and then murder, is a pretty clear indication of a sicko and while drunk driving deaths often result from addiction, stupidity or arrogance. The result is damaged lives but in Vicks case his twisted joy in torture and his arrogance afterward in believing that he was above the law, speak volumes about his actual character and why many doubt he will have changed.

  Perhaps now is the time for Americans to stand up and boycott all the players who committ crimes and start holding them and the owners, accountable for these actions...if not, it's just another measure of whats become acceptable in society.

  There's not too many people that I've talked to that would attend or even watch any team that he played on - so I guess in the end, it's up to the sport that pays his salary and the number of Americans that could care less about what he did as long as they can catch a game. sammieswife.
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  snowbird

  LightCloud, I'm not ashamed of my heritage, either, but I will call it as I see it.

  UC, Michael Vick's and my ancestors came to these shores in chains. They were subjugated and brutalized in the worst possible way, denied an education, stripped of their dignity. This spawned a legacy of apathy and self-loathing that characterizes many a Black family.

  Some have overcome and gone on to lead exemplary lives; others have foundered and fallen through the cracks. Vick's family was one of the latter, he spent his early childhood in a housing project known by the street name "Bad Newz." He is reported to have said that as a child he often went fishing, even when they weren't biting, just to escape the daily stress of the project.

  If these few facts I've presented to you doesn't show you how slavery contributed to Vick's (and others) delinquency, then you are the one in need of a reality check.

  Sylvia