Also, I'm not sure if anybody's mentioned this (I didn't read every single post of the 7 pages), but another thing JW's believe (that can't be proven) is that Samuel's soul was NOT raised from the dead by the spiritist and that it was a demon impersonating him instead.
Name Things JWs Believe That Are Not Actually Biblically Provable
by minimus 231 Replies latest jw friends
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Chalam
Hi designs,
Thanks for your thoughts.
Thought you probably went Fundamentalist. And yet you see that God must be the decider, so why all the angst. If a person chose to stay with a particular belief system, and different from your interpretation, a kind Supreme Being will straighten it all out in paradise.
Here's mine.
God has made a way. He wants us all to find it 2 Peter 3:9 1 Timothy 2:3-5
However, it is narrow Matthew 7:13-15 Luke 13:23-25 and it takes some effort to find it.
The entry to the Kingdom is Jesus John 10:7 John 10:9
That is why He is THE way, THE truth and THE life John 14:6 Luke 13:23-25
Once you are walking on the narrow road that leads to life Matthew 7:14
Jesus will also be your Shepherd, your Counselor John 10:11 John 10:14 Isaiah 9:6 John 14
Jesus will be your Advocate, your Mediator before the Father in respect to your sin 1 John 2:1-3 1 Timothy 2:3-5
Now the way is narrow and few find it. Thus you need to be careful and not hope God will straighten out any mistakes in your core beliefs come judgement day. You only get one chance Hebrews 9:27 and you don't want to have opened the wrong door, got on the wrong path and been deceived.
All the best,
Stephen
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Chalam
Name Things JWs Believe That Are Not Actually Biblically Provable...
Speaking in Tongues has ceased
The WT teaches that gifts of the Spirit have ceased such as speaking in tongues. Against the wealth of biblical evidence to the contrary, they rely one verse which they twist the meaning of as their "proof". Let's have a look at this "evidence" they present, namely verse 10 here in context.
1 Corinthians 13:8-12 (New International Version)
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
So the WT says that the perfection that comes is the complete bible which arrived when John finished the Book Of Revelation in the first century.
OK, so why do they continue to prophesy? After all, they claim to be God's only prophet and have foretold the end of the world on many occasions.
No, speaking in tongues is for all born again believers Acts 2:39 Mark 16:17 as is prophecy.
False prophecy is for false prophets!
All the best,
Stephen
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designs
Chalam,
The whole core of Fundamentalism is questionable starting with its Creeds. Uber Literalism leads to faulty practices. Look at the history of Fundamentalism and how these interpreters of scripture have behaved. It has been a bane on Christianity. Millions on millions of Fundamentalists have brought violence on each other and those who believed differently. It is a shame and embarrassment to Jesus whom they claim to follow.
The God of John Calvin's imagination was a monster.
Step back and take an objective view of what you have gotten yourself involved with. The Fundamentalists don't have room to cast bricks in glass houses. Their history makes Witnesses look mild in comparison.
Take care
designs
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Chalam
Hi designs,
I see the bible as fundamental. Here's a definition, forming a necessary base or core ; of central importance.
First and foremost, I let the Holy Spirit teach me when I read it John 14:26 John 16:13; 1 Cor 2:10; 1 John 2:20, 27
Yes, there are teachers, good and bad 1 Corinthians 12:28 1 Timothy 1:3 so we need to check what they teach against the rest of scripture.
I looked this up as I don't really know what "fundamentalism" is beyond the word fundamental
Fundamentalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
- The inspiration of the Bible by the Holy Spirit and the inerrancy of Scripture as a result of this.
- The virgin birth of Christ.
- The belief that Christ's death was the atonement for sin.
- The bodily resurrection of Christ.
- The historical reality of Christ's miracles.
So, from what I see, JWs agree on four out of five of these "five fundamentals" right? All the best, Stephen -
PrimateDave
Well, Stephen, no one is going to deconvert you. Were you ever even a Jehovah's Witness? If not, then why are you even here?
Of course, you're quite welcome to be here, but with all your scripture quoting, you come across as someone looking for converts to your religion.
My eyes just glaze over when I see a post full of scripture quotes. I had my fill of that for over thirty years of my life, and don't need some never-was-a-jw type person assuming I don't know what the Bible says, especially when I've already done my research that makes all those scriptures invalid.
I mean no offense, of course, it's just that I'm not sleeping well tonight...
Dave
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designs
Dave,
It really is about converting people to a specific set of doctrinal interpretations. It is not just belief in Jesus as the Savior of humanity but the Jesus of the Trinity and the belief in Hell and forms of predestination. Calvinism 101.
Getting people out of one tough situation only to get them into a worse one is being no friend.
Take care
designs
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insearchoftruth
Reniaa said....
can you imagine the outcry on JWN if Jws just started baptism without actually showing people the message of what we believe?
But does it matter what the outcry really is.....what are the BIBLICAL requirements for Baptism.......show me where one needs to study two books, become an unbaptized publisher (could not find the term publisher in the Bible as well), needs to sit in front of a group of elders and answer to a bunch of questions and then declare dedication to an organization.
That is all I ask....
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isaacaustin
hi Isaac
lets see what happens to paul when dealing with false worship in a time did he reclaim it and try and make it over to jesus or......
Acts 19:23-27 (New International Version)
23 About that time there arose a great disturbance about the Way. 24 A silversmith named Demetrius, who made silver shrines of Artemis, brought in no little business for the craftsmen. 25 He called them together, along with the workmen in related trades, and said: "Men, you know we receive a good income from this business. 26 And you see and hear how this fellow Paul has convinced and led astray large numbers of people here in Ephesus and in practically the whole province of Asia. He says that man-made gods are no gods at all. 27 There is danger not only that our trade will lose its good name, but also that the temple of the great goddess Artemis will be discredited, and the goddess herself, who is worshiped throughout the province of Asia and the world, will be robbed of her divine majesty nope the people following gave up worshiping to there false gods and false idols,
My reply: This is not about a day set aside to honor the Lord...this is about Paul convincing others others that the shrines of Artemis were meaningless...thus taking the monetary value out of them. I have shown you Roamns ch 14- which clearly and directly addresses this issue. You have shown me a text having nothing to do with the issue under discussion...where you have tried to eidt it to fit.
Acts 19:19 (New International Version)
19 A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas
My reply: We are not dealing with sorcery here. We are dealing with a day set aside to honor the Lord. The archaic history of what the date used to mean is irrelevant. The WT acknowledges this on some issues and picks and chooses what their members can and can not do.
Acts 26:19-20 (New International Version)
19 "So then, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the vision from heaven. 20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
paul defending himself to a king shows that he made people prove repentence by their deeds.
Reniaa
My reply: Deeds show if repentance is real...no issue there. They do not earn salvation though...that is by grace and grace alone.
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Chalam
Hi Dave,
Well, Stephen, no one is going to deconvert you.
Amen!
Were you ever even a Jehovah's Witness? If not, then why are you even here?
No, never been one. I have a good friend who is one so have got to know quite a few.
Of course, you're quite welcome to be here, but with all your scripture quoting, you come across as someone looking for converts to your religion.
Well it is like this. I have my faith, based on the bible. I ran into all the JWs who say they are also following the bible. On checking it out, I found out our beliefs are like night and day.
I understand the adversity to scripture quoting. However, if you read some of the points I am making, hopefully you will see that what the JWs claim is actually the opposite to what is written on the page in many core details.
My eyes just glaze over when I see a post full of scripture quotes. I had my fill of that for over thirty years of my life, and don't need some never-was-a-jw type person assuming I don't know what the Bible says, especially when I've already done my research that makes all those scriptures invalid.
I understand. If you don't know what the bible says then stick around :) If you have lost heart for it and God then I understand.
I mean no offense, of course, it's just that I'm not sleeping well tonight...
No its cool. Thanks for the questions. I pray that Jesus brings peace and deep sleep over the coming nights.
May the Kingdom come to you like Paul says :)
1 Corinthians 2:4-5 (New International Version)
4 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, 5 so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power
Sleep well.
All the best,
Stephen