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Consider Slavery- In the Bible it is regulated, it took the growth of civilization and ethics to see the need to end the practice.

Actually, now "slavery" is called "non-paid overtime employment" or "forced labour" or "physical cruelty", etc. It's still around, very much so. Where do the cheap clothes come from, after all, if it is not a "sweat shop" of some kind.

OnTheWayOut

So if there is a conflict between the NWT and newer WT publications, I would think that the newer WT publications would be more applicable, generally speaking. But then, that would require an update note in one's personal copy of the NWT itself, to reflect the change(s).

No JW or ex-JW thinks like this. This guy is full of sh&t. He ain't no current JW, but is just a troll.
I don't call them out, typically giving the benefit of the doubt, but read that for yourself and ask yourself if a JW would ever admit that WT publications are more applicable than anything in the Bible? NO- they would not be able to phrase it that way.

Sometimes I wonder how current JW's can fight their inner conflict and post on forums like this. Well, this one is just having fun pretending to support JWism.

He's going to say that he said "generally" and that I misunderstood and try to add some kind of explaining garbage. Bullsh&t! Bullsh&t! Bullsh&t!
I mean, look at the previous comment:

Uh, Reniaa (Post 1830), are you sure?

Most questions are covered by what you should already know as a witness and you will know the scriptures that have motivated that position by our leaders. [Spike's bolding added for emphasis]

It seems to me that we ought to say that we have for us just oneLeader, the Christ, as Matthew 23:10 says.

The expression, may I suggest, is those who are taking the lead, at least according to Hebrews 13:7,17.

Christ's submissive lead to Jehovah's direction is the one we all must take, after all, since Christ is the head of his congregation.

Spike knows good and well that this will just set off arguments about how one can deny calling people leaders and still say they are "taking the lead." People like Spike are fun to have around when this forum gets boring, but can be really dangerous when newbies are asking serious questions. Watch out people for such problems.

Spike Tassel

I tell it like I see it. By the way, officially, "[Spike Tassel] is NOT one of Jehovah's Witnesses". Just so you know.

Witness 007

Been there done that.......my "friends" ran for the hills and never came back!

Spike Tassel

the elders "take Jesus' lead" just as a dog "takes its owners lead"; both are on a leash, in my honest opinion.

DaCheech

The elders are taking the lead of shepherds taking the flock to the slaughterhouse

reniaa

HI inbetween

You must know the gb never claim inspiration for their publications? Are you saying that unless we have holy spirit inspiration we shouldn't write anything? the bible clearly shows there were many written letters written by early christians but not all were inspired to become part of the bible.

Acts 22:5
as also the high priest and all the Council can testify. I even obtained letters from them to their brothers in Damascus, and went there to bring these people as prisoners to Jerusalem to be punished.

Acts 28:21
They replied, "We have not received any letters from Judea concerning you, and none of the brothers who have come from there has reported or said anything bad about you.

Colossians 4:16
After this letter has been read to you, see that it is also read in the church of the Laodiceans and that you in turn read the letter from Laodicea.

2 Corinthians 10:11
Such people should realize that what we are in our letters when we are absent, we will be in our actions when we are present.

These scriptures show that early christians were constantly sending letters of encouragement to each other but not all were inspired because they didn't get in the bible and they would then have been subject to imperfection like Jw publications are but imperfection is not and never has been a disqualifier for leadership among men or applying principles. What is important is we direct to scripture and if leaders make a principle decision based on scripture that is revealed in publications again it must be backed up by princple scripture. Yes there is room for error and going beyond the scriptures but that is the point of continued refinement and personal choice.

hi spike

while I understand your point of view the bible allows for men to be leaders while Jesus is above them and Jehovah above him.

Acts 15:22
Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, two men who were leaders among the brothers.

Hebrews 13:7
Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith.

Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.

Hebrews 13:24
Greet all your leaders and all God's people. Those from Italy send you their greetings.

AllTimeJeff

You must know the gb never claim inspiration for their publications? Are you saying that unless we have holy spirit inspiration we shouldn't write anything? the bible clearly shows there were many written letters written by early christians but not all were inspired to become part of the bible.

The Governing Body can't claim to be spirit annointed and yet dodge issues by claiming that their words are not inspired. It is a distinction without a difference. If they have holy spirit, claim that Jehovah sets them up as the authority, and that to disobey will get you disfellowshipped, then trust me, their words are meant to be taken as inspired.

They only say they aren't for legal/liability issues, thats all.

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