Universal Health Care, Pluses and Minuses

by watson 347 Replies latest jw friends

  • John Doe
    John Doe
    And yet we still have millions of Americans forced to choose between buying meds every month and buying food. JD are you really that naive? Corporate charity? Are you kidding me?

    I have first hand experience with this program. http://www.lilly.com/responsibility/programs/ Talk about that which you know jeep, which admittedly is not much.

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    Pluses:

    Will help us compete in the world economy. Most definitely

    Will allow me to pursue my passion, instead of keep a shit job, out of fear. For many people I would think this true. Particularly working mothers who might want to raise thier own children.

    Will take the profit motive out of “life saving” healthcare. YES!

    Will help me avoid bankruptcy and losing everything that I have worked for my whole life, if I should be one of the unlucky ones with a serious health problem. Absolutely

    Will make sure that all citizens will have access to life saving health practices. The point

    I might actually go to the doctor without fear of finding something serious. You and a huge number of the working poor, who now wait so long to see a doctor, they die of treatable diseases at a much greater rate

    May help us to regain some respect on the world stage. Probably not

    Minuses:

    Will cost me more in taxes. Possibly

    Some people will take advantage of the system. As opposed to the insurance company billionaires now?

    Some doctors may not be able to build empires. Poor dears

    Stock holders in healthcare companies may see some of their wealth disappear. Kinda like the last couple of years?

    Some hospitals will have to lay linoleum instead of Italian marble in their entry ways and lobbies. Maybe we can subsidize the Italian Marble companies until things pick up

    Artists may have to sell their works to other venues. Motel 6

    It will take some effort. So? This is America!

  • John Doe
    John Doe

    Positives:

    1. possibility of more preventative maintenance treatments for low income people
    2. structured payments for healthcare so that everyone pays a similar ammount

    Negatives:

    1. Loss of profit motive to drive new and varied treatments--the US currently leads the medical specialty marketplace in r & d breakthroughs
    2. Loss of another freedom in a slow but continual drift towards a paternalistic state
    3. Income tax, 33%, sales tax, 10%, property taxes, fuel taxes, phone taxes, utitility taxes, etc. etc., do we really want to only retain 10% of our income?
    4. inability to choose doc, hospital, or other services in a system you are forced to pay for
  • jeeprube
    jeeprube
    Talk about that which you know jeep, which admittedly is not much.

    Again with the insults, I should know better than to expect rational conversation.

  • John Doe
    John Doe
    Again with the insults,

    I only return in kind. Reread your post.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Positives - freedom.

    - equality

    - life

    - increased small business

    - more competitive globally

    - higher standard of living

    - more cost effective

    - possible increase in shared resources, equipment and R&D globally

    - less bankruptcy which may lead to less divorce, less tension, less stress in turn leading to better health

    Cons - long term - none.

    sammieswife.

  • John Doe
    John Doe

    Sammie, methinks you're wearing your rose colored glasses and bs blinders in this.

  • jeeprube
    jeeprube

    From Lilly's website:

    In 2008, we donated over $280 million in products to patients and agencies throughout the world.

    Last year Americans spent $291 BILLION on prescription drugs.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2009/03/19/prescription-drug-sales-growth-slows-again-in-us/

    Last year Eli Lilly had an operating budget of $20 billion dollars:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Lilly_and_Company

    Giving away $280 million dollars worth of free prescription medicine WORLDWIDE is indeed a noble thing to do. However, it's a drop in the bucket compared to the real problems that everyday middle class Americans face in filling their healthcare needs. You want to act like corporate charity is going to solve these problems, yet the raw data does not support your claim. But hey, what do I know right?

  • jeeprube
    jeeprube
    I only return in kind. Reread your post.

    I don't recall insulting your intelligence, would you like me to start?

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    The one plus that comes to my mind is this word, defined by Merriam-Webster:

    PARITY

    1: the quality or state of being equal or equivalent

    I believe the prospect of this happening is the driving fear behind most of the gainsayers and naysayers.

    For me, the only minus is a slight increase in taxes, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.

    Sylvia

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