Universal Health Care, Pluses and Minuses

by watson 347 Replies latest jw friends

  • jeeprube
    jeeprube

    Seriously, what is it with anti-depressants? They do not teach you to cope, they do not create resilience, they do not give you personal insight. I do believe one builds a tolerance to them, such that, you reach a place of needing them for a minimal level of functioning, but your original behavioral problems creep back untreated, only now you have an expensive habit that just keeps you where you would have been before - no insight into yourself or the real reason for your depression.

    Not to be disagreeable with you but I must disagree. The science and chemistry behind anti-depressants is valid. If you suffer from severe depression you are incapable of coping with normal life due to chemical imbalances in the brain. Anti-depressents remove that problem. Of course one must learn to cope with life's problems, anti-depressents aren't a magic pill.

    This is why I mentioned Lexapro in the first place. I've been on paxil and other CHEAPER drugs, but I've never experienced the benefits from them that Lexapro provides. It really is a wonderful drug.

  • jeeprube
    jeeprube
    Have you ever been so depressed that you could not force yourself to get out of bed and function? Have you ever thought that you were a burden and would be doing people a favor by ridding yourself from the world? Have you ever felt so dark that there was no way out? Have you ever held the means of killing yourself in your hands and sat on the brink, too indifferent to even cry about it?

    I have. I actually went looking for a rope at work one day to hang myself with.

    JD can you remind me why you and I argue so much?

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    Oh mercy.

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    If you suffer from severe depression you are incapable of coping with normal life due to chemical imbalances in the brain.

    Chemical imbalance is only one possible factor in depression and cannot be measured in the living brain. Increasing levels of serotonin by means of antidepressants does not mean that your depression is caused by a serotonin shortage, any more than aspirin for your headache means that it was caused by an aspirin deficiency.

    There are other biological causes of depression - inflammation, stress hormones, poor nutrition - that are not responsive to antidepressants and should be diagnosed and treated based on those factors. Social and psychological factors – such as loneliness, lack of exercise, poor diet, and low self-esteem – also play an enormous role in depression.

    But, hey, if you feel that antidepressants have saved your life, more power to you. All I'm saying is, they are not for everyone. Jus' saying.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Prozac does not work in majority of depressed patients

    The antidepressant Prozac and related drugs are no better than placebo in treating all but the most severely depressed patients, according to a damaging assessment of the latest generation of antidepressants.

    SSRIs, or selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, were supposed to revolutionise care of depression - by treating symptoms without the side effects of older drugs, such as tricyclics.

    But despite selling in vast quantities, a new meta-analysis of these drugs, from data presented to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), appears to suggest that for most patients they do not work. A previous study had indicated that the benefits of antidepressants might be exaggerated.

    UK and US researchers led by Irving Kirsch of Hull University, UK, studied all clinical trials submitted to the FDA for the licensing of the four SSRIs: fluoxetine (Prozac), venlafaxine, nefazodone, and paroxetine (Seroxat or Paxil), for which full datasets were available.

    They conclude that, "compared with placebo, the new-generation antidepressants do not produce clinically significant improvements in depression in patients who initially have moderate or even very severe depression".

    Dishing out drugs

    They did detect some benefits in the most severely depressed patients. But conclude that in this group the small effect is "due to decreased responsiveness to placebo, rather than increased responsiveness to medication".

    Given these results, they say that there is little reason to prescribe SSRI medications to any but the most severely depressed patients.

    David Healy, a psychiatrist at Cardiff University, UK, specialising in the use of SSRI drugs, says the latest study confirms suspicions that the drugs' effectiveness had been dramatically overstated.

    "Most importantly this new study shows that the people who did respond to the drugs would have responded to placebo, anyway.

    "It confirms that GPs should not be dishing these drugs out as first-line treatment for mild depression," he told New Scientist. The drugs were, he notes, "routinely being given to people who would get better without them".

    Positive results

    Eli Lilly, which manufactures Prozac, says that "extensive scientific and medical experience has demonstrated it is an effective antidepressant". It adds that: "More than 50 million people with depression have been treated with Prozac since its launch."

    A spokesman for GlaxoSmithKline, which makes Seroxat, points out that the study only looked at a "small subset of the total data available".

    Healy notes however, that drug companies have tended to publish studies showing positive results of the SSRIs in mildly depressed patients.

    He says too that there have been concerns that SSRI drugs, particularly paroxetine, may cause dependence in some patients, and this underlines the need to avoid their unnecessary prescription.

    Placebo benefit

    Healy warns however, that anyone taking SSRI antidepressants should not suddenly stop taking their medication and should consult their doctor before coming off the drugs.

    David Nutt, a psychopharmacologist at Bristol University, UK, points out that if SSRIs provided some sort of placebo benefit, this should not be discounted. He notes that "the true drug effect is that of the drug added to that of placebo which is not the same as no treatment".

    Earlier this month, New Scientistreported claims by US lawyers that they had obtained documents suggesting that an inappropriate analysis of clinical trial data by researchers at GlaxoSmithKline had obscured suicide risks associated with paroxetine for 15 years.

  • JWoods
    JWoods

    Don't you just love some of the precautionary warnings they spew forth on all the drug ads on TV?

    Caution - may cause sudden death due to swallowing your tongue...Caution - may cause you to hallucinate or begin driving your car while not conscious - Caution - see your doctor if an erection lasts longer than four hours -

    Good grief - I think I would rather just save the money and live with the disease.

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    I was prescribed Zoloft - quit because once I distinctly heard a voice telling me to choke my mother to death.

    Then, it was Effexor - made me sleep, sleep, sleep ...

    There was another one (can't recall the name) that I didn't take because ... some intuition warned me not to do so.

    This was the same Rx that Monica Lewinsky was given; it was later pulled from the market.

    Sylvia

    Addendum: The name of the drug was Serzone. From Wiki:

    On May 20, 2004, Bristol-Myers Squibb discontinued the sale of Serzone in the United States and Canada.
  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    I'm on Cymbalta. It is great. And it doesn't prevent me from getting a woodie. I used to be on Zoloft, couldn't get it up.

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    Just catching up, been offlline due to a storm we had the other night!!!

    purps

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    Just catching up, been offlline due to a storm we had the other night!!!
    purps

    Great! The current topic is erections. What's your position?

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