Wrong again Reniaa, the Father is the source of all authority, and the Son receives all. Yet John shows Jesus given authority to do things that Deut says only God can do. So yes, more, much more.
The Son in two persons
by Deputy Dog 332 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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quietlyleaving
reniaa your rhetoric wants to keep us in kindergarten/primary school and I can see why the WTS would want to keep us there.
And in answer to your post below
from page 1 (for the benefit of those who may be reading and are going round in circles because of reniaa's/JW rhetoric)hi quietly leaving
Absolutely not! becasue he's putting words in witness mouths which is really what Nark is doing as well be saying we believe Jesus is in anyway hypostatic.
witness believe michael is just an extra name thats all! the biblical principle on him having a few names is there, If Jesus had an extra personality for every name he has we are talking about 10 new Jesus's here.
We've always believed Jesus was an Angel/messenger Powerful spirit creature. more importantly the bible absolutely gives no scriptural proof of any dual or triune consciousness in one body or being it just isn't there!
Saying we believe anything other than what say is just putting your own frames of references on our beliefs.
Reniaa
Indeed. Reniaa, I pointed you to the same problem months ago, and you didn't reply at all; now you reply off-topic: JWs have to combine an (arch-)angelicperson with human nature just like Trinitarians have to combine a divineperson with human nature. The logical problem is basically the same; it is not made easier because the nature of the (first) person is inferior: it's not easier for a rabbit to become a mouse than for a cow just because it is smaller. Get it? So even if you don't want to call this "incarnation" or "hypostatic union" you would have to think something similar if you ventured into thinking your own doctrine at all (God forbid).
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isaacaustin
yeah, agreed...time to stop feeding the....
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Deputy Dog
Spike
MY "answers" fit MY perspective and understanding. YOURS fit YOURS.
Then I guess you're not in line with JWs. Which is fine with me. It's the WT teaching I have a problem.
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isaacaustin
DD check your pm please
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Deputy Dog
Nark
To term the (implicit) JW doctrine, I propose SIRHU: Sequential-intermittent-retrospective hypostatic union. The WT Jesus will have been one person of two (or three) different natures ('stuffs': A-H-A+?) successively with at least a blank during a couple of days when he was not.
I was just thinking about that. The JWs may have a "trinity" of their own.
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Deputy Dog
JD
I know you mean well. I know you're on my side. The very long posts keep going down rabbit holes. This thread isn't about the Trinity, it really isn't about Christian theology. It's about how poorly understood JW "theology" is understood by R&F JWs like reniaa and Spike.
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Deputy Dog
Reniaa
This should only take you one word, and a scripture to answer my question.
Micheal is just a name change for who?
I don't see Jesus named anywhere in Malachi 3:1. I don't see Michael for that matter.
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reniaa
hi quietly leaving
I see what you are getting at I must have missed that post earlier.
We don't teach Jesus and michael are separate persons joined together like trinitarians do for triune God, we think michael is just a name change, If it gets proved biblically that Jesus is not michael and is indeed a separate spirit being in his own right then we wouldn't believe Jesus is michael.
thats the difference!
How do you know 'the word' is just an alternative name for Jesus? because the bible tells us, admitedly michael is more of a construct to say that is another name Jesus uses but it wouldn't hurt our doctrine if michael proved to be a separate person. We would just drop him off the list of names Jesus uses.
You not trying to argue angels are a different race to God and Jesus are you? because the bible tells us they are all spirit creatures.
remember angel simply means messenger and archangel means head of the messengers.
To us Jesus is a spirit creature called 'logos' 'lamb' 'jesus' 'immanuel' 'michael' the only unusual thing was Jesus was able to become flesh completely and then become a spirit creature again after resurrection.
John 1:14 (New American Standard Bible)
14 And (A) the Word (B) became flesh, and (C) dwelt among us, and (D) we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of (E) grace and (F) truth. It says the word became flesh here not joined to the flesh.
Reniaa
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isaacaustin
I am done on this thread. I will not feed anymore.
Any point you bring up has probbaly alreay been answered on another thread. That is where I direct you to go find it.