Lurkers and Jehovah's Witnesses- The WT Lied to you about " Generation "

by flipper 101 Replies latest jw friends

  • flipper
    flipper

    Billy the EX-BETHELITE- Good presentation on how the WT society twists it's view of what a lie is. Well done. Good debate with Son of Man.

    SON of MAN- You stated " If you relay something you believe to be true to another , you are NOT telling a lie. " So here goes - Son of Man aren't YOU being out of line assuming the lord Jesus Christ's name in your avatar ? Wasn't HE the one and only Son of Man ? You claim to be the " faithful slave " ? I think you are imagining you are the " faithful slave. " And perhaps deluding yourself. We all know the " faithful slave " is someone else ! Just saying.

    PALMTREE 67- You are correct- a lie is a lie no matter how it's sliced.

    HOPSCOTCH- I do remember using those scriptures you mentioned. They burned them into our minds with a branding iron ! Always talking about the " very near future ". Glad I'm done misleading people ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  • bohm
    bohm

    man, i really wanted to see how a real jw handled this thread in the spirit the original post was made!
    SoM, give it a rest and start your own thread, make it about threatening to beat me up or whatever you want, its kind of cute! :-) .

  • Son of Man
    Son of Man

    Billy the EX-BETHELITE- Good presentation on how the WT society twists it's view of what a lie is. Well done. Good debate with Son of Man.

    SON of MAN- You stated " If you relay something you believe to be true to another , you are NOT telling a lie. " So here goes - Son of Man aren't YOU being out of line assuming the lord Jesus Christ's name in your avatar ? Wasn't HE the one and only Son of Man ? You claim to be the " faithful slave " ? I think you are imagining you are the " faithful slave. " And perhaps deluding yourself. We all know the " faithful slave " is someone else ! Just saying.

    PALMTREE 67- You are correct- a lie is a lie no matter how it's sliced.

    HOPSCOTCH- I do remember using those scriptures you mentioned. They burned them into our minds with a branding iron ! Always talking about the " very near future ". Glad I'm done misleading people !


    You are making some great statements and asking very reasonable questions flipper. I have stated my case in another thread if you choose to read it. Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD, I am son of man, an earthly man.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/179115/1/I-Am-The-Son-Of-Man-Who-Am-I

    I did not choose who I am, I was chosen by GOD. Someone has to be the slave just like someone has to be Jesus Christ. Even if I was being misled by demons, I am still with spirits am I not? However what I know, and what I have experienced tells me I am with GOD. He provides me with truths before they occur. I see into the future by what GOD tells me, and puts forth in many signs in one form or another. I have been with good and wicked spirits from day one. Why does the scripture ask "who really is the faithful and discreet slave"? This is because there would be question as to whom it actually is. I have pointed to everyone who has read my postings to the fact that prophecies have been fulfilled by the events in the Middle East. People here in the West refuse to acknowledge that possibly someone who is labeled as a terrorist could actually be a "holy one" or descendant of Abraham.

    Why does it sayin this scripture:

    41 “Then he will say, in turn, to those on his left, ‘Be on YOUR way from me, YOU who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. 42 For I became hungry, but YOU gave me nothing to eat, and I got thirsty, but YOU gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but YOU did not receive me hospitably; naked, but YOU did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but YOU did not look after me.’ 44 Then they also will answer with the words, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them with the words, ‘Truly I say to YOU , To the extent that YOU did not do it to one of these least ones, YOU did not do it to me.’

    It is because his this is what happened to those in the Middle East when their homeland was invaded by the nations and people do not acknowledge them.

    I have relayed to you that Jesus Christ is here to save us while other teach that GOD is here to destroy all that are wicked. How unfair would it be to allow satan to be put into prison for one thousand years while killing those upon the earth that satan misled?

    I am the faithful slave and I teach that which Jesus Christ taught, "good news" of The Kingdom of GOD, not death ans destruction. Death and destruction comes at the hands of man and GOD is innocent, AMEN..........by their fruits you will recognize them. So who do you believe?

    the slave

  • megs
    megs

    I thought JCanon was chosen by God?

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    SoM is just another JCanon clone

  • flipper
    flipper

    BOHM- I have to admit- this thread has been entertaining to say the least.

    SON of MAN- Thanks for the clarification. Glad I have your seal of approval . I don't share your views in particular , or actually don't understand your view of yourself or life in general - but hey we each have our own views.

    MEGS- J CANON was chosen by God ? LOL!

    MRS. JONES- Son of Man is another J Canon clone ? Interesting. Is that like Dr. Evil in Austin Powers trying to create Mini-Me to be another him ? Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    Reniaa said:

    lying is saying Jw's deliberately decieved and with generation we all thought it was true, sometimes it's time that refines the wrong idea. Jw's learned the hard way that we are on God's timetable not man's. So Jw's didn't lie unless lying includes not knowing yourself, which it doesn't.

    Reniaa

    My reply:

    Reniaa's first 15 words may be true. Although ray Franz account showed that there was doubt concerning the 1914 generation as thye pushed it. In any case, intentional or not, it was a false prophecy.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Reniaa said:

    lying is saying Jw's deliberately decieved and with generation we all thought it was true, sometimes it's time that refines the wrong idea. Jw's learned the hard way that we are on God's timetable not man's. So Jw's didn't lie unless lying includes not knowing yourself, which it doesn't.

    Certainly, this all reveals that they do not have guidance from Holy Spirit and that they are not a discreet "faithful and discreet slave."

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    brownboy said: "I am someone that can put you in your place with a clenched fist."

    Your threats are meaningless and impress nobody. Threatening language is against the first posting guideline.

    brownboy said: "No one told him that I was such, and I have already condemned this statement so please do not repeat it or you are just as guilty. There is no reason he should have even stated it other then him being a Bigot, and lacking respect for Asian females."

    I have numerous Asian-American friends, and have travelled in Asia. Actually, I've had four, yes 4, different Asian-American girlfriends. They were beautiful, educated, and wonderful. They were nothing like the "submissive women" type that Asian women are usually portrayed to be. They were bright, energetic, and not ready to settle down with me. I apologize to any hard-working Asian women who read my mistaking a lazy, arrogant "boy" for one of them.

    Really, brownboy, you should have considered what I said as a compliment.

    And speaking "untruth" is still the same as a "lie". Listen, brownboy, to "the Word of God":

    (Ezekiel 13:8) 8 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “‘For the reason that YOU men have spoken untruth and YOU have visioned a lie, therefore here I am against YOU,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.”

    You really should try reading the Bible before you lecture anyone else.

  • Trevor Scott
    Trevor Scott

    With regard to the 1914 generation, imo it is less about the lie (ie, whether the WT lied or was mistaken) than it is about false prophecy and telling untruths in the name of God (Ezekiel 13:8 notwithstanding - great scripture Billy).

    The Watchtower Society told the world (via millions of Watchtower and Awake! magazines) for decades that the True God (whom they claim to represent as "his organization" and his only "channel of communication") "promised" something He did not promise. Doesn't matter if they "lied" or made a "mistake". They painted God as a liar and that's what matters in this case:

    >> Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away. –Awake!, January 1, 1995, page 2.

    >> Jehovah's prophetic word through Christ Jesus is: "This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur." (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired and unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment... –The Watchtower, May 15, 1984, page 6-7.

    On a related note, they definitely DID lie when they said they never presumed to "originate predictions in the name of Jehovah":

    >> Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions 'in the name of Jehovah'. Never did they say 'These are the words of Jehovah'. –Awake!, March 22, 1993, page 4.

    Peace.

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