Is the type of deception that is required to extract a cult member, acceptable when infiltrating a P ring?
I fail to see any ethical difference. Can someone please enlighten me.
ethical consequences of faking reinstatement...
by drew sagan 52 Replies latest jw friends
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JWoods
Certainly sneaking back on pretense is not setting the example for the other JW family - it just takes the pressure off of them...and,
Most horrible of all - what if she did get corralled into field service and actually helped make a convert (on that very odd chance) -
I would feel guilty forever.
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sammielee24
She could avoid field service by simply being 'weak' ; sick or always busy which makes her inactive. Only she can determine how badly she wants the relationship and really, she has nothing to lose since all would simply revert back to what it is now if it didn't work.
A while back there was a book written by a mother who went back in so she could get her daughter out of the cult - it worked. The actions can only be determined by the strength of the relationship and in switching terms it would simply become theocratic warfare strategy and not unethical.
She may find herself not being able to take the crap but even at that point, she need not be a strong Witness but instead, be the weakest of the weak...if the sister finds out, then fhe parents are in a real pickle because they could just as easily be shunned. ..sammieswife.
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drew sagan
Just a final wrap up of the situation.
My wife told her parents her decision, that she will not go along with this plan. I think the most frustrating thing about this episode for my wife is the fact that her parents can make all these pleadings, but never once were open to hearing her point of view. She becomes trivialized and belittled every time she brings up her objections.
For these reasons, this entire thing is a no go. The last few conversations she had with her parents seem to indicate that this isn't going to come up again. I especially feel sorry for her dad (who is not a JW and probably wishes his family never became JWs) but this is just going to be the way it has to be.
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AudeSapere
The parents have shown that have zero respect for your wife or her own convictions.
I am sorry that they refuse to even listen to what she thinks and feels.
-Aude.
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Black Sheep
If her mother feels so strongly about it, she should go undercover to do the extraction herself.
Sending someone in under duress doesn't sound like a good start anyway. It is a process that might take years, or not work at all.
To the posters that object to the dishonesty, how do you feel about the dishonest tactics used by the police to keep P off the streets? I have never heard of anyone picketing police stations with placards denigrating them as cheats and liars for for their activities while doing undercover work.
Cheers
Chris
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drew sagan
If her mother feels so strongly about it, she should go undercover to do the extraction herself.
To be clear, this was never about going back into the faith to help somebody out. That would at least have some kind of goal. Instead, they wanted my wife to pretend to be JW to the elders, congregation, and sister so that contact could be made again between the two. The mother is a devout JW and does not wish to leave the JWs.
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blondie
In the case of G****, his family were all in on the "fake" reinstatement. In this case some are not. I agree with Scully that where is this going to go or escalate to. There is also the risk that if the deception is revealed to the "faithful" family that it will end whatever association your wife has with her parents.
I would be glad instead that the parents have contact with you. Let the others find their own way in showing love.
Blondie
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Black Sheep
I had a hard time getting it past my remaining brain cell that someone would go back solely to have contact.
Tell the old bag you will do it after she has given you a king list.
Cheers
Chris
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KW13
You have posted here for a good while, and i've come to respect you and i hope that, for this post at least you will give careful consideration to what i have to say.
You're not behind the door, you and your wife both know what the Watchtower Society is and what a life under its reign has to offer which is nothing but grief. Quite simply, avoid the huge strains it will put on your marriage, because if the Society says jump and your wife fails to do so, her sister will be one of the first in the queue to say, i thought you were loyal to Jehovah and his Organization. Don't you think that your husband is a bad influence on you, weakening your faith? e.t.c
Your wife being open to the influences of that cult once more could potentially be catastrophic, for both of you. And if things don't go to plan, as you say she then risks losing what relationship she has with her parents too.
This is a convoluted form of blackmail. You run the risk of you both being subject to unreasonable demands.
As hard as it is, you and your wife need to make the most of the life you have, forget the Witnesses and their spin. Her sister is unwilling to make any kind of sacrifice, yet your wife must literally change everything about her liife for a conversation? this is not love.