What Are Your Thoughts On The Apostle Paul?

by cognac 109 Replies latest jw friends

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  PSacramento

  Women alsways had an important role in Christanity and with Paul there was no difference there, that is what what he supposedly says in 1Timothy has been viewd as not being his words.

  Women were well regarded and mentioned in the Gospels as well, after all, it was a woman that was the frirst ( or one of the first) that saw the ressurected Christ and told the others about it.

  At a time where women had a lower status and so few viewed anything they said with any authority, tohave the ressurection proclaimed by a woman, that was something indeed.
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  PSacramento

  DD, Paul was the first to speak of it.
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  Deputy Dog

  PS

  He may have been the first to use the words or phrase " justification by Faith" But you can find the idea taught by Jesus.
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  cognac

  The greek word for fornicationis Porneia and can mean:

  illict sexual intercourse, adultery, homosexuality, intercourse with animals, intercourse with close relatives, divorced man or woman, it is also a metaphoe for worshiping idols and the difilement of idoltary.

  It wasn't just a couple of people doing the hunka-chunka before mariage.

  Typically it was a "sinful" act when aplied to visitinga prostitute or having sex with someone you shouldn't ( Relative, same sex, assoted woodland creatures).

  hmmm, that's very interesting. I wonder how Paul would have viewed to people in a serious relationship having intercourse that broke up and then got into another serious relationship where they had intercourse with somebody else. Do you think he would have told people not to mix in company with people such as this?

  I mean, people have such strong sexual feelings at even 13 or 14 years old. If they give into those feelings without marrying the person would they be now faulted to not mix in company with? Could they even be considered a brother or sister at that point anyways according to scripture?

  I find it very harsh that young ones have such sexual urges at such a young age when there is no hope of being able to act on them for years. To bad they didn't start getting those urges until they were at least 20 when they were at least closer to marrying age...
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  PSacramento

  DD,

  Of course I agree that Jesus said it before Paul, that is who he got it from :)

  But Paul was the first to put it in writing, arugably.

  Cognac,

  Its impossible for us to know what ANYONE would have thought about unmarried people IN LOVE doing the deed, certainly it would be better for all if they were married (less complications), but the fact that there were prostitutes around means that Lust found a way, lol !

  Jesus was typically silent in the regards of fornication as was God when he give Moses the 10 Commandments, issues with fornication were add later on by the priests, scribes and guys that didn''t get laid much.
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  cognac

  Its impossible for us to know what ANYONE would have thought about unmarried people IN LOVE doing the deed, certainly it would be better for all if they were married (less complications), but the fact that there were prostitutes around means that Lust found a way, lol !

  I guess my question was what Paul had in mind when he said "fornication"... Of course, this gives leeway for people to view it anyway they want since Paul wasn't specific and then lord it over people such as the BORG does... According to Strong's dictionary, I would have to believe like you that it was a lot more to then just doing the deed before marriage and such. This is how Strong's defines it:

  a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine):--fornicator, whoremonger.

  debauchee is "a person addicted to excessive indulgence in sensual pleasures; one given to debauchery."
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  cognac

  I still wonder about the fact that he said gays and such wouldn't inherit God's Kingdom. Considering how Jesus was, I would think he would be more forgiving...
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  PSacramento

  Jesus's view on homosexuality is unknow, though it is certainly a sin in accordance with the OT.

  Of course it is NOT a mortal sin and there are certainly far worse sins than smoking sausage or munching carpet ;)

  Nevertheless, ones repentant state upon judgement would most likely dictate the outcome of said judgment.
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  cognac

  Wouldn't not making it into God's kingdom make it a mortal sin?
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  PSacramento

  Sins against the HS are mortal sins, I am not sure if homosexuality in of itself is a mortal sin.

  I just don't know, I think that a loving and devoted person who is selfless and helps others, a doctor who is part of doctors without frontiers for example, that is also gay, I don't think God will turn his back on such a person, I don't think Jesus would.