I need answers to so MANY questions..... (page 2)

Black Sheep

To the paranoid posters who welcome a newbie with suspicion .............. Get professional help.

You not only make fools of yourselves, but you cast aspersions on the whole forum, which is what Ren/AE was here to do. Now you are doing it for her.

dgp

Jersey girl, please WAIT.

The witnesses you know are not being frank with you. That should tell you a lot about them as persons.

I know you won't take the simple advice of going away. And that is because you've not seen by yourself whether this is good or bad in your case. Do your research, do take your time to think. Most likely, you will end up thinking that it's not worth it

You feel the man is great, save for the small inconvenience that he's a witness. If only he were a bit tolerant, everything would be great. Maybe not. But you have to do your own research and determine this yourself. Please do.

Jadeen

Welcome to the board, Confuzzled! I would say that it's pretty obvious that you're not angel eyes- you capitalize letters and don't end every sentence with "LOL"

Black Sheep

Let's simplify things a bit.

The unique things they believe, they believe because the Watchtower told them so. They will give you many other reasons for those beliefs, but the truth is, that if the WT changed a teaching tomorrow, they would believe that and start telling you the reasons for that belief.

Here is their primary doctrine:

The Faithful and Discreet Slave (represented by the Governing Body only) was selected by Jesus, in 1919, as God's sole channel of communication for mankind today.

If that is true, what should you do?

If that is not true, what should you do? Maybe, more importantly, what shouldn't you do?

Cheers

Chris

diamondiiz

Hello. You describe your boyfriend as “lapse Jehovah’s Witness”. You haven't said if he was baptized or not. If he was baptized that would be a reason why he doesn't want to take you to the Kingdom Hall with him since he could end up with elders starting to question him as to his relationship with you. If he has been sleeping with you, this would mean he would have to either break off relationship with you or be disfellowshipped and since he's trying to get back in, it would be a big hussle for him to get disfellowshipped and return since he would still need to break any ties with you or marry you.

If he wasn't baprized I don't understand why he wouldn't take you with him since he has nothing to lose other than some gossip by others but that's nothing.

Either way, if he slowly drifted away from watch tower religion because it was too strict too follow, he obviously still believed that their teachings were all true and that this religion was and is the truth and that is why he may say that he's not worthy of being called Jehovah's Witness. That is his guilt conscience telling him that he is deserving death as per Watch Tower doctrine and this may be why he wants to return to the cult. Obviously people within a cult don't realize they are in one and neither does he nor did many of us here realize it.

It depends on his power of reason and is he honest to examine facts or is he just a nice person but not a deep thinker if you get my drift. Since you have very little knowledge about wts it may be hard for you to reason with him on doctrine so try to research one topic and stick with that topic until he at least sees that what you're saying is correct. The main dogma of wts is that Jesus returned in 1874 1914 :) Do some research and discuss it with him. He may not feel strong in the faith and that is why he may try to have you talk to someone else but don't worry the others won't know about wts' history and it's details because that's the who deception. Their only answer could be that what you bring up is old history or "old light" and doesn't apply today which is not logical if they were led by God's Spirit as they claim. Use ONLY wts publications to show what they taught, since many times they make it appear that in early student thought that Jesus returned in 1874 (I'll use Christ's return as example for your discussion). But it wasn't until 1943 that 1914 because "truth" of Christ's return. So they taught public for some 50 years that Jesus returned invisibly in 1874 and not 1914 and since they claim that Jesus appointed them in 1919 them teaching 1874 after that date doesn't make any sense. I always recomment reading Charles Russell's book Thy Kingdom Come on seeing what was originally taught by wts. Stick with one topic at a time so there is no way of skipping what is being discussed and letting him or any JW going on the offensive and trying to change topic to point out your religon's shortcomings.

If you need specific answers or help or obtaining PDFs of old publications just ask.

asilentone

I am sorry if I am paranoid, I hope she is not Angel Eyes, sometimes trolls come back and change their writing style so most of us would not be suspicious. Peace out, Mr. Asilentone

Satanus

The thing about a cult infected person, is that anybody else comes second to the cult. It's like cocaine or heroine. It's like he is already married, and he left his previous mate, the jw organization. Now, he's going back to it, and he wants to drag you in, also. He doesn't want to go in there w you, because he's breaking jw rules by being w you.

He wants you to meet somebody else to answer your questions. The others will distract you and try to recruit you. Don't deal w anybody but him.

He needs deprogramming. That's a tough job. The person needs to know the teachings really well. Plus, it takes a lot of time. You aren't in a good position to do that because of your emotional invilvment w him. If you want to keep a normal life w him, he needs to decide between the religion or you. Herione or you. Cocaine or you.

S

Confuzzled

Thank you all, you all have been very helpful. I'm considering all your advice. No, he is not baptized but desires to be. He does not not attend Kingdom Hall regularly, but does when he runs into his mother or her friends. He has told me that all are welcome to go to the Hall, even me, tattoos and all, and that the only scrutinized members are those who are baptized. Just to let you know, I have an 8 year old daughter, baptized Episcopal, and if this is something I choose to partake of (No, I haven't decided yet! Don't get the idea! The cons are out weighing the pros!), she will attend Mass with my fathe. O have specific questions I'd like answered so in time I will post individual threads. I understand those who think I may be a lurker with alterior motives, but trust me, I'm not!

Jadeen

Lol @ asilentone- you're awesome

Confuzzled

Oh, to Satanus, I was witha former cocaine addict for 10 years (I'm 28). he relapsed ONCE, got sick, felt like an a**, never did it again. I'd rather a coke addict!

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