Nov.15th WT - Treasure your Place in Congregation- "Obey the Slave Class! "

by flipper 45 Replies latest jw friends

  • flipper
    flipper

    First of all I want to thank all of you for your many rsponses. Excellent thoughts ! Thanks.

    Also my first response will be to Leprechaun as of course, I dont want to be considered a piss poor excuse for a journalist ( LOL ! ) just teasing Lep. and give the exact pages , titles, etc. so he can do a scan, or someone else can. I don't have a scanner.

    LEPRECHAUN - Hear ye, Hear ye ! The article is from the November 15th , 2009 Watchtower entitled " Treasure Your Place in the Congregation". It starts on page 13 and ends on page 17. It has 17 paragraphs which come fully equipped with questions to quiz oneself with ! My quotes from the article in my thread were taken from paragraphs 3, 4, and 5 . Which will confuse a person even more ! Hope this helps ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Can't wait to see Leps video of him eating a crow.

  • Chalam
    Chalam

    Excellent point Nathan!

    "Obey the Slave -- Ignore the MASTER!"

    Way to go, Watchtower; thieves and liars, hypocrites!

    disclaimer: I am not a Christian, but I can see the inconsistency and hypocrisy of an organization that claims to be Christian, an organization that places its own publications before the Bible it claims to believe in.

    Mark 12:34 (New International Version)

    34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God."

    Blessings,

    Stephen

  • flipper
    flipper

    Thanks for all the great responses ! So many I'll respond to page 1 first .

    DGP- Thanks. Yes suggestions are turned into commands and rank and file witnesses are expected to follow them. It is total mind control.

    OTWO- Good point. Yes others in the congregation, elders or pioneers may influence publishers to feel guilty about their dress and grooming and of course they will be coerced to fall in line.

    OUTLAW- The WT society doesn't mention Jesus - because THEY feel THEY are Jesus ! LOL!

    LOVELYLIL- Yep. Jesus is small potatoes to the witnesses.

    CANTLEAVE- I agree with you it is frightening how much control the leaders of the WT society and the GB has over the witnesses . I think the control is increasing. Being a witness means adopting a herd or gang mentality. And it involves allowing oneself to be controlled, manipulated, and herded by the WT society. And yes, I agree- if the witnesses were asked to jump off of a cliff for the WT society - I think many would. It is immoral how much control the WT society has.

    HAPPY GUY- Of course, yes, it's not new. I agree. However as with many mind control cults when they feel they are losing members as the JW's are- most cults become MORE controlling and take assertive measures to stop people from leaving. We are seeing that now in the JW cult . More stringent views on associations and guilt and fear constantly used in their WT articles to manipulate members.

    SIRNOSE 586- Exactly. The WT society IS getting desperate to control, control, control even more ! So I hope they tighten the screws even more. It might motivate even more JW's to exit to freedom !

    IN BETWEEN- I too get goose bumps reading controlling info like this because I fear the overly zealous witnesses will try controlling those witnesses sitting on the fence and prevent them from using their authentic minds. I hope some get the courage to leave.

    THE ALMIGHTY HOMER- It is definitely an " obey us or else " type article. The WT society has too much to lose to NOT print articles like this. They'll do anything to control their members. And I mean anything.

    AUSSIE OZ- I do hope your teenagers get out of the cult in time. And answering your question - No - the public Watchtower placed with the public door to door does NOT have the study articles that only witnesses study. THAT is what's scary.

    NUGGET- Good points you make. The real difference between the WT society and loving parents is this : Parents love their children , the WT society DOES NOT love the rank and file Jehovah's Witness. They don't love them , they control them for their own purposes which involve - power, control, and money. THAT is the reason they keep printing these articles for witnesses.

    DOZY- Thanks for writing that in the first person. It REALLY emphasizes the EXTENT of the control by the WT society. It was really creepy reading your post. Just as creepy as what Charles Manson, David Koresh, or Jim Jones would write in my opinion.

    YESIDID- Yes, the control is flabbergasting.

    LEPERMESSIAH- I agree with you that the WT society puts itself in the place of Jesus and yes, they are power mongers - precisely.

    CHALAM- Yeah , I just thought that " apostatitis " off the top of my head ! LOL! Didn't even realize I was coining a word ! LOL!

    SNOWBIRD- It is total mind control which I agree with you is masked as " we care about your spirituality ". I feel ya sis.

    WT WIZARD- I'm glad you use your own mind bro. Don't let the GB dictate anything to you.

    LONG HAIR GAL- I hear you. I think the WT society wants to keep not only single women, but ALL members in poverty and needy from a material way. Easier to control that way. I'm glad you kept your independence AND your distance from the elders. That was smart on your part. I'm glad you've moved on from the cult.

    FINALLY FREE- I can only say- some of us like myself were privileged to be $hit on for 44 years by the cult. So FF - I had to clean more $hit off of me than you did my friend. I'm still spraying deodorizer on myself to get rid of the stench ! LOL! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  • flipper
    flipper

    O.K. now I'll respond to page 2 posters. Thanks again 1

    HEAVEN- Yes- It definitely screams out cult doesn't it ? I'm glad you talked to your dad about the child abuse scandals. Hope it makes him think.

    UNDERCOVER- Yeah " Apostatitis " might be like " rabbititis " - only MORE dangerous. LOL! ( I'm a huge Bugs Bunny fan by the way ) And as you said there is no room for individuality. The WT society doesn't make suggestions anymore- just demands and commands.

    NATHAN NATAS- Exactly. I feel the WT society has ALWAYS trumpeted their own publications over the Bible always. And yes- they feel they ARE Jesus Christ & Jehovah !

    MICKEY MOUSE- Dozy's version WAS stunning , wasn't it ? Makes us see the mind control at play even more !

    J WOODS- Yeah, I agree it's pretty hard line stuff. To me it seemed like after Ray Franz left - Ted Jaracz's influence got even more aggressive in the writings of the Watchtowers and the demands of control increased on the rank and file witnesses. It continues till this day.

    LEPRECHAUN- Please refer to the above posts earlier by me to your request for the supplied information. I supplied it.

    KINJIRO- I agree, inquisition is a good adjective to describe the control that is occurring within the WT organization. I feel pity for my JW relatives still in as well.

    THE ALMIGHTY HOMER- I do think the WT society is feeling the heat from the news media and the internet. They are still trying to hang onto control of members- yet also trying to remain respectable in the public's eyes while doing it. It's a hell of a tightrope they are walking in my opinion right now.

    CHALAM- Believe me - The WT society is VERY FAR from the kingdom of God for sure ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  • flipper
    flipper

    Wanted to bump this up if any hadn't read it and wanted to respond. Thanks, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  • Aussie Oz
    Aussie Oz

    mr flipper, i like the way you take time to address each posters veiw and questions. Thankyou lots. and yes i hope they will escape too, fortunatley they love that I have the internet!

    OZ

  • flipper
    flipper

    AUSSIE OZ- Thanks for your kind words. I appreciate it. And that is a very good thing you have the internet as not only you will be able to educate yourself now about the dangers of cult mind control by groups ( like JW's ) but your teenagers as you say will have access as well to information. And THAT is a very important thing. Because the witnesses don't want members to be aware of ANYTHING which might reveal truths about the JW cult they don't want you to know ; but things that you NEED to be made aware of. The beauty of the internet for sure ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  • moshe
    moshe

    I knew many of the so-called anointed back in the 70's- you know, the ones from the original 1935 era 144,000 class. None of them had ever been contacted by Bethel on any spirtitual matters. I know, because I asked them. Naive me, I thought that they had a hotline for the anointed to telegraph their flashes of new light straight to Bethel. I never heard of any anointed who claimed to be of the F&DS class, either. So it is a little hard for a JW to know for sure just who the slave class is in the flesh- it's not like they have a yearbook called, "Your F&DS Masters" to help JW's out. The only thing they know about the governing body, everything else is ve-ery hazy.

    By the way, when is the study date for this lesson in the KH?

  • flipper
    flipper

    MOSHE- Yeah, I hear what you are saying about the anointed from the 1970's and before. I never knew any of them who claimed that Bethel or the GB got a hold of them for their takes and opinions or pearls of wisdom either ! I think just 12 old geezers were making all the decisions constantly.

    The studying of these 5 different articles in the Nov. 15th WT takes place throughout the 5 Sundays in January 2010 according to the cover of the dates of the WT studies on the magazine

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