Has Global Warming Reached The Tipping Point of No Return?
by frankiespeakin 100 Replies latest jw friends
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cameo-d
I am sure if we all change our light bulbs it will deter tornadoes, volcanic eruptions, and earthquakes.
Man will never master nature.
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Satanus
Some of the spurts say so. But, they say, that shouldn't stop us from doing something. Kind of like climbing st helens to put a cork in. It has been said that experts are just spurts under pressure.
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frankiespeakin
I have been reading some of James Lovelock's Theories about Gia and reaching the point of no return for our planets warming trend and I have to say I think he's right. While I think his time frame may be a little too short I think he has a lot to say that make perfect sense.
The reason why he may not be taken too seriously I feel is because we tend to not want to feel or admit that this warming trend is irreversible. So I will post some of his stuff that i think gives the best encapsulation of what he is all about.
I screwed up the first post and limited space of what I can post so this will take a couple of post which will be soon forth coming.
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frankiespeakin
Daisyworld Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gVERGAieng&feature=related
Daisyworld Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I47vhzErOCE&feature=related
Daisyworld Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gIQShSrk1I&feature=related
Daisyworld Part 4
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frankiespeakin
http://www.jameslovelock.org/page24.html
Climate Change on a Living Earth
This is a draft copy of the lecture delivered to a public meeting of the Royal Society, 29 October 2007.
Most of you will know by now the main conclusions of the greatly respected Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's, 2007 report and I am sure that we all are proud that they were awarded this year's Nobel Peace Prize together with Al Gore. The report itself speaks of the real possibility of severe climate change but it is written in properly cautious scientific language and gives the impression that global heating is serious but the worst consequences are avoidable if we take appropriate action now. Inevitably the conclusions of the report need constant revision in the light of real climate change. Sadly, even the most pessimistic of the climate prophets of the IPCC panel do not appear to have noticed how rapidly the climate is changing.
My first intimation that we might be on the brink of disaster came in May 2004 when my wife Sandy and I visited the UK's primary climate research centre, the Hadley Centre. It is a place of excellence and an important part of the IPCC. While there we talked with a range of scientists; some were concerned with the melting of ice floating on the Arctic Ocean, others with Greenland's vanishing glaciers, and still others concerned with global heating in the tropics. Later in the day we heard from Peter Cox and Richard Betts about the way that the great tropical and boreal forests were changing as the world grew hotter. And we talked of our own concern about the way the ocean life was disappearing as the surface waters warmed.
These climate scientists with whom we talked spoke of their observations and models of global heating in the regions that each of them were investigating. Taken separately, each of these regional investigations presented convincing evidence of positive feedback and accelerating change. They told of their research in detail but in a detached - properly scientific manner - almost as if they were describing some other planet, not the Earth.
This was in itself disturbing; much more so was the fact that those concerned, for example, with the melting of polar ice, although aware of a similar vanishing of the tropical forests, seemed to present their own research as something separate from the heating
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frankiespeakin
My thoughts of evolution and survival of the fittest, and the complex nature of the earth ecco system and the temperature regulating dynamic that keep a certain equilibrium that has basically three ranges of 1)warming, 2) middle, 3) ice age, seems to be mathimatical model of tipping points of no return into one of these three and lasting for thousands of years. While not having the mathematical background necessary to speak intelligently on it seems intuitively to me to be correct.
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frankiespeakin
Satan,
Some of the spurts say so. But, they say, that shouldn't stop us from doing something. Kind of like climbing st helens to put a cork in. It has been
said that experts are just spurts under pressure.
Basically I think your right, that we we need to do something but that something should be something that is realistic and that the currant need for government grants opens us up to the scamers applying for these grants. I feel that we are in for a big culling of the human species that is inevitable, and that the survivors(survival of the fittest) will be smarter, stronger, and environmentally friendlier due to these natural processes of evolution still at work now and in the future.
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frankiespeakin
James Lovelock - A Final Warning: by Nature Video
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HappyGuy
Not even close.
One volcano can put several orders of magnitude more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere than ALL the greenhouse gases man has put in the atmosphere since the beginning of the industrial age.
The whole climate change hysteria is total nonsense.