Right to Die Issue Terminally Ill, Hopelessly Paralized, Etc..What Are Your Thoughts?

by frankiespeakin 57 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    I believe that people have a right to their own life and that organizations like Death with Dignity, are one way in which to allow people to determine the course of their lives. Rather than oppose people in their choices or argue against such programs, voluntary programs, we would be wiser in setting up programs where we support those individuals and understand them. Some people are not as afraid of dying as others and want to simply die before they lose the ability to recognize their loved ones or before they are crippled and totally dependent on others just to survive - they should have that choice. Perhaps is shouldn't be labelled as 'assisted suicide' but rather 'endless energy', since suicide has such negative connotations whereas energy lives on forever. sammieswife.

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    My dearly loved mother died on September 1st, 2007. She was smart,self-aware,still pretty,funny, happy and 83 years old. She also had been unable to breathe for 9 months. Gathered around her that morning on the sunny deck of our Portland home were all of her adult chidren who were there to speak of her life and her death and her love. She received calls from all of her grandchildren living out of the state. She promised them that her spirit would do a "fly by" when she died at 1:00pm that day.

    My mother lived with my husband and me for 9 months in our care assisted by wonderful hospice nurses and social worker. Her COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease...also commonly called enphysema) had increasingly diminished her ability to breathe in ways visible to all of us who cared for and loved her. In the beginning month of hospice care she asked to begin the lengthy process of applying to the Death With Dignity process...."for the peace of mind of knowing I have a choice if I need it. I don't know if I will use it, but I want it in place." This required a lot of physical and emotional effort and determination on her part,frankly, to visit the required 3 separate doctors, fill out the paperwork, talk with a chaplain and discuss it with her family and friends. It took almost 2 months. This was not a spontaneous or spur-of-the-moment decision. There were legal requirements for many evaluations and documents.

    She was never afraid once she had the process completed because she knew she was the one to make the decision of her time and manner of dying. Only she could know what it was to take hourly medications, inhalers, nebulizer breathing treatments, continuous oxygen and still feel the need to have the window open all day and the lights on all night in order to believe there was indeed "air in the room".

    She could not get a single full breath. Ever. Have you run uphill until your lungs ache with the effort of trying desperately to bring in a full breath? And cannot quite get enough air to erase the fear of suffocating for lack of air? Imagine thinking constantly of finding a way to get your next breath. This is a kind of constant drowning. Not being able to get to the pool surface in time for that needed air! All day and night. Every day.

    My mother lived bravely and with true grace this way for months until she asked us to support her in deciding the day of her dying. This was not easy for us. It took many tears and talks to finally "see" her tiny, gasping chest body was asking to be released. Her body was leading her home and she had absolutely no fear, no guilt, no shame or secrets from anyone as to the manner of her dying. Only love. She was asking us to love her to the end of her life. We did. She had time to give meaningful engraved simple gifts to her loved ones and have a last afternoon with her best lady friends. We had time to say all that needed to be said and forgive one another for any wounds or hurts. What a gift to us all.

    Her death was joy filled and peaceful. She happily removed her oxygen tube, saying "Well! I won't need this anymore!" She smiled as we all placed a hand on her as she said goodbye with such joy. We cried, but she did not.

    She looked absolutely beautiful and relaxed. Released into the "air" she so desired.

    My Mother was brave and smart and funny and full of love. She showed us how to live and how to die. No fear. No shame. No guilt. No secrets.
    Only love.

    I learned this: Do not be afraid of death when it is time. Death with dignity can truly be achieved. We must be allowed to make this ultimate decision for ourselves without fear, secrecy or guilt. There is a loving energy that will lead us into dying peacefully and we should be allowed to make that compassionate choice in our country under a carefully guided process.

    My mother said many times, "I am so grateful to live in Oregon where this is possible." Tani Sue — Tue Oct. 14th 2:59a.m.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    What a touching story. I'm glad too she lived in Oregon and was able to meet death on her terms.

  • metatron
    metatron

    Take a good look at your own thread and note how easily people simply give up without a corresponding obsession with emerging life extension. When was the last time ANY life extension development dominated headlines as much as Michael Jackson or Kim Kardashian? Oh, that's right...........Never!

    Pie in the sky miracle cure? Is that a realistic appraisal of aging research or stem cell knowledge? I don't think so! We have never been so close to outright victory. What the heck, let's give up. Termination is just so much cheaper. Let's listen to the Upper Class Doomsayers about our duty to die off. Can I make a bet with you that they will never follow their own advice?

    I don't make comparisons to Nazis lightly but this euthanasia nonsense easily reminds me of "useless eaters" or more correctly, "useless consumers of health insurance". I have extended family who would already be dead under British health care or otherwise offered nothing but painkillers.

    I return to my Wall Street Journal Good Sense. Unless you are completely paralyzed don't whine to me about how you can't competently kill yourself. Do some Googling for Final Exit, for God's sake. I'm sorry but it only emphasizes to me how people have degenerated into helpless sheep. And yes, I've been there when people died .... or said they wanted death..... and I had a close friend who was paralyzed who loved life and didn't want to die!

    Fight, fight the dying of the light! And always remember the Law of Unintended Consequences, folks. Never give Any Government the right to kill you off! Do I really need to tell you that? Apparently, yes if you can't figure it out for yourselves! It's a really BAD idea!

    metatron

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Met,

    I'm very glad your responding even though I disagree I think opposing idea are good to explore as we all tend to be biased about our own pet ideas so as they say iron sharpens iron.

    Pie in the sky miracle cure? Is that a realistic appraisal of aging research or stem cell knowledge? I don't think so! We have never been so close to outright victory. What the heck, let's give up. Termination is just so much cheaper. Let's listen to the Upper Class Doomsayers about our duty to die off. Can I make a bet with you that they will never follow their own advice?

    It true many discoveries are coming down the pike faster than ever. I'm 57 and healthy as far as I know and the average life expectancy for male around 70 years so that leaves me 13 give or take a couple of years that's all I got so I really doubt ageing research will advance quick enough for me and to be truthful neither do I hope so, one reason being the problem of over population,, I feel very strongly about making room for the next generation which is a rather comforting and in my estimation a noble thought.

    But just on the realistic side do you really feel research will be able to restore your health once you are getting very old to that of a youth that my friend is a long way off and before they ever do that they have to do something about where to put all the people that keep on living and how can the earth resources sustain them if nobody is dying off. Never ending life will soon cause more and more problems as the human population bomb runs out of space.

    Also have you ever thought of how boring life would be if you did live forever, it would become tediously boring. And then think of how the governments might try to solve the problem, they might offer pleasant tempting trips to death to encourage more people to take advantage of it and make room and life possible because pretty soon we would all be living like sardines in a can.

    As I see it it is far better not to view death as the bible says: an "enemy" but as an eventuality that we all must face and the more we are afraid of it the harder that becomes and the most desperate we become and the less dignity we have.

  • metatron
    metatron

    "Sardines in a can" due to future life extension? Not gonna happen...... ever. Why not?

    Examine any nation that has an advanced standard of living and what do you find? Low birth rates - often below replacement levels.

    I warn anybody reading this that eventually the entire nation of Japan will collapse financially. The Yen will likely become worthless. This will happen because Japanese birth rates are so low that they are steadily losing workers and taxpayers. The same is true in Russia and much of Europe. Their economies will stop growing and their national debts will collapse their finances. How can you pay off debt or have growth if you are losing taxpayers and gaining dependent old people? Answer: You can't!

    Actually, the opposite of the 'sardines in a can' may be true: More life extension may empty the "can"!

    metatron

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Met,

    Interesting but I will have to look it up.

    Unless you are completely paralyzed don't whine to me about how you can't competently kill yourself. Do some Googling for Final Exit, for God's
    sake. I'm sorry but it only emphasizes to me how people have degenerated into helpless sheep.

    I don't hear anyone whining we are discussing.

    You are 100% correct websites like Final Exit have nicely detailed instructions about how to use Helium or Nitrogen which are very easy to get with no questions asked and very cheap and are absolutely painless, personally I would suggest Nitrogen since 78% of our atmosphere is composed of it and it leaves no trace which would allow loved ones to get insurance money as long as the bag and gas tank are removed and there was a policy if there wasn't a policy then Helium which can be found in the lungs on examination and since it is a rare gas this might void an insurance policy.

    Yes sometimes people want permission from the government for everything but a person who is in serious pain doesn't really need any permission but most likely would like the comfort of some family member or friend and would like to avoid any unnecessary legal repercussions if they enlisted the aid of a friend of relative in the process and with legal recognition the negative stigma is drastically reduced that in my mind is the reason for wanting it legal or that the government not interfere

    And yes, I've been there when people died .... or said they wanted death..... and I had a close friend who was paralyzed who

    loved life and didn't want to die!

    Tell me how you felt when you were there when people said they wanted death? Did you feel sorry for them and did you hope they got their wish soon to avoid anymore unnecessary pain?

    I guess it all depend on how much they are suffering or if paralyzed how boring life is getting or how much they hate being a burden to others would determine how much they wanted to or didn't want to die. I think of Christopher Reeves when writing this.

    I used to visit a guy that was paralyzed from the neck down he would talk about how he wanted to die, and to tell you the truth I wished I could have helped him since that was his sincere wish.

    Fight, fight the dying of the light! And always remember the Law of Unintended Consequences, folks.
    Never give Any Government the right to

    kill you off! Do I really need to tell you that? Apparently, yes if you can't figure it out

    for yourselves! It's a really BAD idea!

    We never said anything about giving the government a right to kill us off we are talking about the government not interfering with our inherent right to take our own life in dignity there is a big difference that should not be confused.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Never give Any Government the right to kill you off! Do I really need to tell you that? Apparently, yes if you can't figure it out f

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    lol...you don't have to 'give' them that, they take it when they want. And the country of choice doesn't matter either; in reference to the Nazi's - the offshoot was the extermination of millions of Germans by the Allies after the war. Those men, women and children did not deserve to die by starvation and rape and we could copy that in any corner of the world by any act of aggression. People should not have to lobby to die legally just as they should not have to lobby to grow a marijuana plant on their windowsill to make a cup of tea that would take away a migraine. Much of these issues are a result of the 'moral majority' or religious majority that have decided to enact laws that fall within their own code of conduct. sammieswife.

  • mamochan13
    mamochan13

    Sammielee - that is so beautiful. A wonderful way to go. Thank you for sharing that.

  • Awen
    Awen

    Despite what some may say (this being certain religious groups like the J-Dubs) in my opinion the Bible supports the right of individuals to end their lives prematurely, i.e. before their "natural" time. An example can be seen in the person of Enoch in Genesis chapter 5 who was "taken" by God, before his natural time to spare him a horrific death by his persecutors. If that is true, then it's also reasonable to conclude that suicide or assisted suicide is not a sin as many theologians claim. It's merciful to spare someone or yourself an unreasonable amount of pain that may preclude death.

    No place in the Bible have I ever read that suicide, be it assisted or otherwise is a sin against God. This is simply one of those theological conundrums dreamt up by the churches in an attempt to control the populace which still lingers about today.

  • wha happened?
    wha happened?

    I lost both parents. Dad died within 6 months of diagnosis. He did the treatments and then when it was obvious he was finished here, he said screw it, no meds, food, water, just pain killers. Didn't think twice he just manne up and faced it. I hope I can do the same. Mom tried as well. She lasted 4 months. Like Dad she was mentally aware to the night before she left us. Both of my parents went the way hey wanted to. I hope I can have the same. I'd rather end the pain shorter for those around me

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