Dearest NVL...
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notverylikely
It`s the Same Old,Tired Baby Joke..
Do you realise,you keep telling the same joke over and over ?..
Are you Senile?..
Is that the only joke you can remember?..
Now Outlaw, you know this conversation is for adults. You run along and play outside and when we put Princess Dora on you can come back in and have some juice. Maybe later we can have a campfire and make S'mores and you can dress up like an indian princess and then get a bath and play with your toys and then it's off to bed.
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AGuest
Then he should speak up.
Apparently, He did, dear NVL... and you chose not to hear Him. And are doing so still.
I see what you wrote. If God wants to tell me something, he knows where I am sitting.
Then let it be just as you say... and have asked. May you receive from the Most Holy One of Israel all that you have asked for.
So why didn't got talk to me then?
He did, dear NVL. And if you would condescend for even a second to think about it, you would know it. Not to worry: you will have yet another "aha" moment. But I don't think "aha" will be your exact words at that time.
You still are never answering that
I have answered you. And I responded to you before. I could have given you the typical response(s)... you know, what most "christians" would have given you: "God doesn't speak to someone like you." Or "God is mystery." Instead, I gave you the truth... just as I received it from the Truth. He has spoken to you, is speaking to you now as we have this interchange... and will speak to you yet again. Through His Son, yes, but He is speaking. Please... listen. For YOUR sake, not mine.
just quoting some scripture and using scriuptury sounding words.
Because you first didn't want to hear. And, so, you didn't hear. Then He sent His Son to tell you. Whom you then refused to hear. So, then He sent His Son to me, and that One told me to tell you. And so that you wouldn't accuse me of using my own words... gave me the words to use. Which I posted. Yet, not once... not once... have you asked either of them if it was they who spoke to you when you heard the words yourself. Why? Because your heart is hard... and your neck is stiff. You didn't even turn your head TOWARD the Voice. Why? Because... apparently, like Thomas, you "won't believe"... unless such a physical manifestation occurs for you. Well, perhaps now it will. And you will know that it was the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, who spoke to you. Without a doubt. But I don't think you're going to "like" what you hear... and perhaps see. You may not even survive it. I know it almost killed me the first time I saw my Lord...
But it does NOT have to be this way, dear NVL, truly. You can STILL turn around and stop your harmful words... and thoughts... against the Most Holy One of Israel. You DON'T have to do this... or have it done this way. But, as I have truthfully stated before: the choice truly IS yours.
You yourself said that those that ask in sincerity will hear from god and I didn't.
I am going to assume you mean you didn't hear (vs. asked in sincerity). And I explained that to you. You got what you expected... what you hoped for. You did not expect to hear... and so you didn't. Not that time. Not when you didn't expect it. But both you and I know that you didn't stop there. After our interchange you DID ask... and you heard... regardless of what you want folks here to believe. You actually did go and ask Him why... why I can hear and you can't... what is "so wrong" with you that He won't speak to you... that can't hear Him... or see him.
And He told you, dear one. Truthfully. Which truth my Lord directed me to post because, apparently, this time... you simply rejected what you heard. Yet, while still accusing the Most Holy One of Israel of not speaking to you.
You refuse to answer my questions from before and still do
Every question you've asked has been answered. And not just by me.
even though you said if I asked with the right motives I would hear from god.
I did. And you did. Whether you liked what you heard... or agreed with it... and another matter entirely.
Were you wrong?
No, I wasn't. You, however, are trying to do this in the manner of the FLESH... rather than in the manner of the SPIRIT... for "sensual" pleasure rather than the building up of God's temple (which is the "right" motive)... and not in complete truth. For if you were completely truthful, you would have confessed that you DID in fact hear (which you are afraid to confess because you don't want people to think you're "crazy" too, and "hearing voices"...)
I am so confused.
Dear NVL... do you really want to do this? Really?? Then just DO it: LISTEN to why HE says you aren't hearing... even if it hurts. Even if the pain is great. Allow yourself to hear it. Ask Him to MAKE you hear Him, if that's what it takes. And don't reject it... or be afraid of it... when you do.
But please note: if you are expecting Him to tell all sorts of flowery stuff... about how "good" and "kind" and "wonderful" you are... you are kidding yourself. It's not going to happen like that. He is going to tell you the TRUTH. About YOU. And more likely than not, given what I was directed to post, given your demands, given your false accusations... it will be about the DIRT... that is IN you. And there is dirt in you. There is dirt in ALL of us.
But if you LISTEN... HE will tell you... and you alone... about yours. Why? One, so that YOU know that HE knows you. Because only you and He know what part of what I was directed to post actually applies... and why and when. You will know that there is nothing hidden from Him. Second, so that you can begin the process that leads to cleansing... the INSIDE of your "cup." Your SPIRIT. Starting with your "ears." And afterward HE will keep telling you, so that NO ONE else will need to tell you. Including, praise JAH, me. Because my Lord knows... this is one of the most painful parts of the "torture" tree/stake that I carry. I don't want to do this; but you asked... and I had to respond. I could not beg off.
Again, what's with you and the hubris?
No hubris, dear one, truly. None at all. If you only knew. It is SO funny that folks think I do this because I think I am "better" than others, or more "worthy" or something like that. Better who think they're better... don't bother with things like this. Neither you... nor your statements regarding God... are relevant. Not at all.
I do it, however, for pretty much the same reason as Paul: to work out my own salvation. I am a foremost sinner, dear one, and the least I can do is stand in the gap when someone falsely accuses the Most Holy One of Isael. He gave His Son... who gave his life... for me. And what is He asking back from me? Nothing... except to put faith in... and listen to... that Son. Which I do. And which I tell others they, too, can do. That IS how this entire exchange even got started, isn't it? You, however, have accused Him of, among other things, being a "bad parent." That you even accuse Him tells me that you believe He exists. That you malign Him, however, tells me... well, that you are angry at Him. But He really is NOT to blame.
Please know... that I would do the same for you. If someone falsely accused you... and I KNEW the accusation to be false... I would speak up. Even if it meant those who made the accusation wouldn't "like" me... or would call me to task for it. For Him, I would do it even if it cost my life; people have died for a lot less. And I know what He has done for me... and does for me every day. You have NO idea. But I do... and while you may think me crazy... or arrogant... or delusional... or, as dear Frankie insinuated, suffering from "inflation"... you cannot deny that I am loyal.
You falsely accused someone I love dearly, dear NVL, and I responded to that false accusation truthfully. I tried to get you to see that your accusation was false. And when you wouldn't hear me... He responded. When you wouldn't hear Him... though His Son, He sent me once again. My Lord knows... I hope you will allow yourself to hear Him now.
You don't know me...
No, I don't. My Lord does, though, and being in union with him by means of holy spirit sometimes come with such... ummmm... insight. It's like how Peter knew Ananias was playing false to the Holy Spirit. Works the same way...
and presume to tell me what I have done and what's wrong with me...
I presumed nothing. I simply did as I was directed to do by my Lord, the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, who is the Son and Christ of the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, and the Holy Spirit. I know you and many others would have me ignore that One but... well, I cannot. THe time may come will you won't be able to, either. At least, if your motive IS "right" and you ARE "sincere." I pray that it is, and you are, and you do... so that you will perhaps come to understand why I am here and what I am doing... even with regard to you. Virtually nothing would please me more, truly.
and what I need to do to fix it.
Ah, now, wait... that's not quite accurate. True, LISTENING would be a start. But as to what you literally need to do to "fix" it... no, I have NOT been directed to share that with you, yet. If I will need to at all. My understanding, however, is that THAT will not be "given" you... unless and until you ASK to know it. Sincerely... and truthfully.
Why do you think you know all this about me?
Dear one, I am truly no more than Ananias was to Saul of Tarsus. Or Peter to Cornelius. Or the women who first saw my Lord and was then directed to inform the disciples. A servant. Nothing more. And a good-for-nothing one at that. So, I know nothing about anything... or anyone... other than what my Lord gives me to know.
Where does this arrogance come from?
There is no arrogance here, dear NVL. I am YOUR servant... because I am a servant to ALL those of the Household of God, Israel... and those who go with them... to the world... and to Christ. What has occurred here is no more than the Master of the House saying to one of his servants, "Your brother/sister has cried out for me, but I cannot come to them because they will not receive me. Go, then, and say to your brother/sister, 'Here is what the Master of the House has said.' And you must tell him/her just as I have said to you." And I did. Just so. Even though I knew the brother/sister was most likely going to have a problem... with both the message and me... insignificant that I am... and demand of me just who I thought I was that I would/could even bring such a message.
But, I love the Master of the Household. More than I can explain in words to you. He has told and shown me SO much... and done so much for me. For my family. Beyond the life he gave for me over 2,000 years go. And I am neither ashamed of him... or of being his servant. It absolutely boggles MY mind... and heart... though... that so many like you SAY they want to hear. SAY it. But, won't DO it. Why? Because they're not REALLY willing to pick up that "torture" stake... and follow him. Which is what you WOULD do if you heard him... saw him... KNEW him... like I do. You would share with me what I've shared with you here... and more. And you would RECEIVE more as a result. And I will. But most, perhaps including you... would rather gain the [approval of] the world... even if it means losing their eternal life force.
So, think what you will of me; it is of no significant matter. What the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, however, and His Son and Christ, the Holy One of Israel, the Holy Spirit and my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, thinks of me... does matters. And, so, I did as I was directed. Whether you CHOOSE... to hear... or to refrain.
Again, I bid you peace.
A slave of Christ... without fear or reservation...
SA
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notverylikely
Every question you've asked has been answered. And not just by me.
You've given the run around, special pleading for each case, yet you never answer then question. I will re-state for simplicity.
Why does god/jesus, who obviously can manifest himself physically and force people to acknowledge him when he want, whether or not that person is seeking god/jesus or has the right heart condition, seemingly ignore the vast majority of people in the world? We have the examples of Adam, Moses, Neb, Balaam, all the people that just saw Jesus walking about, eating, running into him on the side of the road, Thomas, Paul, etc.
No, I don't. My Lord does, though, and being in union with him by means of holy spirit sometimes come with such... ummmm... insight. It's like how Peter knew Ananias was playing false to the Holy Spirit. Works the same way...
You don't but you do? Are you are telling me that god shared special insight with you about me? What did he share with you, specifically? Or did he NOT share since you just said you don't have any insight into me?
No hubris, dear one, truly. None at all. If you only knew. It is SO funny that folks think I do this because I think I am "better" than others, or more "worthy" or something like that.
No, I don't think that you think you are better than others on a conscious level, but it's clear that you think you have the right stuff to have God choose you as his messenger and it's clear that you think you can divine why others don't. Whether you choose to admit it or not that is hubris and arrogance, to think that you are special and can tell others why they are not.
My understanding, however, is that THAT will not be "given" you... unless and until you ASK to know it. Sincerely... and truthfully.
You already said that at some point I must have asked sincerly, but now you say I didn't. But that I did at some point so instead of giving me the answer God/Jesus talked to you about it rather than me.
I am YOUR servant...
Coffee, two creams, two sugars, then.
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AGuest
Dearest NVL... may you have peace. I am posting this in the hopes of putting this matter to a final rest. Hopefully, you will see why, and agree.
You stated: “… if God is talking, I would have no choice but to hear. Yet he is silent."
I responded to the first part with:
“He is [talking]”… and “All one has to do is listen... to the One... through whom God speaks: His Son and Christ, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit... JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH." You can look at Hebrews 1:2 if you need to [see it in writing].
I responded to the second part with:
“You absolutely have a choice. That which is spirit is not the same as that which is physical. When a physical sound is made, IF you have enough hearing capacity, you will hear it. With the SPIRIT, however, it is all ABOUT choice.”
You then stated: “God makes people hear when he wants to…” which, first, leaves me to believe you DO believe in the Most Holy One of Israel (which, second, completely befuddles me as to why you would think you could check His hand, as you appear to believe you can. But the answer to that lies in another of your responses, which I've included below…)
Since apparently my response weren’t good enough for you, however, weren’t what you wanted to hear, you further asked/stated:
“…answer the question. If god can clearly force people to acknowledge him and hear him when it suits him, why does he play cloak and dagger? why doesn't he just make everyone hear his message and then leave what they want to do up to the individual?”
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"The question is that, if god cares, why would he only physically manifest himself or angels to certain people to inspire faith? why not everyone? why can some people pray all their life and seek god only to be empty?"
And…
“god clearly CAN communicate with people whenever he wants, but apparently just chooses to ignore people most of the time…”
And, since you couldn’t allow yourself to accept my response… that the error lies with you… the Most Holy One of Israel Himself answered you. When you refused to listen to HIM, He had me, through His Son, my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, make this post. I ask you… are you listening NOW? Will you allow yourself? If not… why continue to accuse HIM of NOT speaking if you REFUSE to hear?
You asked a very interesting question, in light of this interchange. You asked: “He's god, right? he can harden the hearts of some when it chooses…”
My response is that you might want to think about that very truth, particularly in light of what He responded to you... and had me post.
Finally, I am to tell you that you are known to God. My post was directed to “the Household of God, Israel, and all those who go with...”
You responded:
“I already am a Jew.”
So, now, I understand your hard-heartedness, hard-headedness, and stiff neck. Indeed, you are Israel… and thus my brother/sister. And... I am your servant. As such, I ask you: p lease… please listen. Do NOT continue to refuse... and do not put me in this position any further. Please. Please go to the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, Himself. Ask Him to correct your hearing, your thinking, your heart, your mind... whatever it is that needs correcting so that you may receive what you say you want, you're asking for... in the way YOU wish it. And so that I may be left out of this. Please.
I bid you peace.
YOUR servant, as I am servant to ALL those of the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with... and a slave of His Son and Christ, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH,
SA
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peaches
i am not well informed about internet "things".....guess i passed judgement myself,,,and "stuck" my nose in where it did not belong...my appologies to both of you.....NVL and AGUEST....
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PSacramento
NVL, if I may ask, why do you want to know God?
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notverylikely
I responded to the first part with:
Your answer in contradictory to the many example I have provided from the Bible. I am asking you why and you keep pointing the finger at me rather than answer the question.
I responded to the second part with:
Your answer in contradictory to the many example I have provided from the Bible. I am asking you why and you keep pointing the finger at me rather than answer the question.
Since apparently my response weren’t good enough for you, however, weren’t what you wanted to hear, you further asked/stated:
No, they just run counter to the many examples from the bible, which is what I am asking you to explain.
And, since you couldn’t allow yourself to accept my response… that the error lies with you… the Most Holy One of Israel Himself answered you.
Whoa, back up there Moses. I thought you were just relaying God's message? Is it now YOUR answer I am rejecting?
I ask you… are you listening NOW? Will you allow yourself? If not… why continue to accuse HIM of NOT speaking if you REFUSE to hear?
I have read and examined every answer you posted. Yet they don't match up with the examples in the bible. I am asking you why and you keep pointing the finger at me rather than answer the question.
So, now, I understand your hard-heartedness, hard-headedness, and stiff neck. Indeed, you are Israel… and thus my brother/sister. And... I am your servant.
There you do again, thinking you know more than you do. I am a jew by accident of birth only. I have never been to synagogue or had more than a passing conversation with a Rabbi. Why do you think you know me when you clearly don't?
Ask Him to correct your hearing, your thinking, your heart, your mind... whatever it is that needs correcting so that you may receive what you say you want, you're asking for... in the way YOU wish it. And so that I may be left out of this. Please.
Again, YOU YOURSELF said that at some point i did ask that because god asked you do give me a message. My followup question is this: if at some point I did ask the right way, why did god talk to you rather than me? you yourself said that if I asked the right way god or one of his reps would talk to me.
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notverylikely
i am not well informed about internet "things".....guess i passed judgement myself,,,and "stuck" my nose in where it did not belong...my appologies to both of you.....NVL and AGUEST...
Absolutely no need to apologize to me :)
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OUTLAW
Now Outlaw, you know this conversation is for adults. You run along and play outside and
when we put Princess Dora on you can come back in and have some juice.
Maybe later we can have a campfire and make S'mores and you can dress up like an indian princess
and then get a bath and play with your toys and then it's off to bed......NVL
After reviewing your posts to me..
I can see your not writing jokes, it`s Disturbing Monologue..
You seem to have a Penchant for very Young Children..
It raises a Question..
Why would a grown man want to bathe and dress small children,he has not fathered?..
Children who are Strangers to him?..
It`s a Repeating Theme in your posts..A very Perverse Theme..
Normal ,decent people don`t joke about or endorse,"Inappropriate Behaviour with Children"..
.............................. ...OUTLAW
