by Terry 47 Replies latest jw friends
So I guess that was the offical declaration of when the JW's stopped being Christians and become "Witnesses ofr Jehovah".
Will, I mean, its not as if Jesus's words in Acts Chapter 1 were a commandment or anything like that:
7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
No offense, Finger, and condolences on the loss of your brother but if he said he was satisfied with how he lived his life ("I lived it as I wanted to")why do you judge him as living an unhappy life that wasn't worthwhile? "He didn't die a happy man," you say. I say, of course he didn't; he was dying. But if he was satisfied with his freedom, and accepting of the consequences of his life's decisions, why can't you be? If he loved you, and I am assuming he did, he wouldn't want you living the rest of your life looking back on his with regret and judgment. He lived his life as he wanted to and I for one, am proud of him embracing his freedom.
Mad Sweeney,
He was divorced, i don't think most divorces are happy occasions. He was very heavily in debt. Most people in debt are not happy. He used prostitutes and did not have a normal relationship with a woman. He was ill for 10 years. He retained alot of fluid and was bloated for about a year, he actually died once and was resusitated in the ambulance. He was refered to a psychiatrist. It doesn't strike me as happy, nor did it when we shared a beer in an empty pub before he was told he was dieing and he cried. So embrace your freedom with some limits. If you have limits you have mind control.
(Keeping in mind that these responses are coming from someone who drives like a bat outta Hell... )
"You see an arrow point off to the right and you veer from your course..."
Not without looking for a better alternative, first...
"Why? You were taught to obey road signs! In fact, you aren't allowed to drive unless you absorb the "rules of the road"... "
Ah, while attempting to avoid making statements that could possibly incriminate me, let me say that there is a HUGE difference between "knowing" traffic laws and the action of obeying them as the primary and best course of action...
"But, if we are talking about disabling you[r] mind from ACTUALLY THINKING about life or death matters......what then?..."
What??? WHAT???? WHAAAAT???? Who the heck doesn't realize that drivers had BETTER be "ACTUALLY THINKING" about "life or death matters" - 'cause THAT'S what driving is ALL ABOUT!!! EVERY SECOND that you're driving, you had BETTER have your BRAIN as well as your EYES on the road!!!
At least, that's the way I drive... I may not always obey the 'laws', but I DO obey the "Law of SURVIVAL" - First....!!!!
Sheeeeessh!! Remind me NEVER to ride with Terry!!!
(and no blasted cell phones/Bluetooth/handless WHATEVER while driving... See above comments about keeping BRAIN on road...)
Zid
STATMENT: All true Christians should love their enemies.
Define "true"... While you're at it, define "Christian"... My definition? "Greco-Romanized 'Johnny-come-Lately' Middle Eastern male volcano god worshippers..."
STATEMENT: The bible is the inspired and inerrant word of God.
Ah, HAH HA HA HA HA HA HHHHHAAAAAA!!! GOOD one!!!
1. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also;...
No. HELL NO!! Hit 'em back... No, wait!!!...... SUE!!!
2. Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.
THAT idiotic idea has led to a lot of spousal abuse... And a lot of unhappy marriages...
3. You cannot serve God and money.
In that case, I choose money... It's more fun!!
4. “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you...."
Oh, yeah??? Whoever wrote this - never attended a REAL court case!!!
5. “Truly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ it will happen...."
And I would want to toss a mountain into the sea be-CAUSE??? (That could cause a hell of a tsunami !!!)
6. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent...."
Ah, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! "If a man speaks in the forest, and there is no woman to correct him, is he still wrong???"
So! Did I pass??? (Fun test, by the way... )
Zid
Nathan Natas: "Another point - if JFR really knew and followed his Bible, he would have named his followers "Hepzibah." ..."
Not sure - and please - PLEASE - don't make me look it up, but I think that there was a "Hepzibah" class mentioned by Rutherford... Something like the forerunner to the phrase, "Other Sheep", used to describe those who were 'helping' the Faithful and Discreet slave - and that was called something else - some other biblical prophet's name, too...
Zid
I particularly like the first paragraph.
WHEREAS about 1874, in fulfillment of divine prophecy, the Lord Jesus Christ began the work of 'preparing the way before Jehovah' and to restore to his faithful followers on earth a clearer understanding of the fundamental truths taught by Jesus and his apostles and which for centuries had been made obscure by others teaching false doctrines
Quite the contradiction, even then Rutherford realized the value of self marketing for the
publishing company he was heading. Cast shit on to the other guys and then shine a light onto yourself.
Marketing was and still is the true holy spirit which the WTS. guides itself on.
[[Russell: deliverance....Armageddon...life in heaven...]]
Russell's view of the "deliverance" was totally different from that of the JWs. Russell believed that not only "believers" are delivered, but that all the world of mankind will be delivered in the age to come. The main reason he started printing the Watch Tower magazine was to defend the "ransom for all", the teaching that Adam and every man, woman, child, baby, infant, etc. who descended from Adam will be blessed in the age to come because Jesus died for all. Thus, probably the main theme that can be found in his works is that of the "ransom for all." Bible Students today still hold to his central teaching, whereas Rutherford led his "new organization" into rejecting that teaching.
Russell's view of "Armageddon" was also different than that of the JWs. Russell did not have any thought of millions of people being eternall destroyed; instead, he viewed Armageddon as a time for disciplining the nations so as to humble them in preparation for the blessing of the heathen in the kingdom age.
Russell believed the church would have life in heaven, but that the regenerated world will live forever on the earth. Russell believed that the "other sheep" that Jesus spoke of will be those of the world who become his sheep in the age to come, and who will live forever on the earth, not in heaven.
