For Terry - So That it Will "Make Sense" (page 17)

AK - Jeff

Oh good god!

You can't argue with delusion. It doesn't have to make sense. It is filled with fantasy, impossible ideologies, and myths.

Santa and the Tooth Fairy make better sense and are more defendable than the Christian God. At least they don't pretend to write volumes of books with contradiction after contradictions.

Jeff

OnTheWayOut

But that doesn't mean you get to challenge his notions of right and wrong

Even Perry decides what is right and wrong against God's notions. We have had this discussion before. The God of the Bible decided it was right for "his people" to rape and kill others and Perry could not accept that. He defended the God of his belief and insisted that HE did not approve of such things. Perry decided that God-approved rape and murder are wrong and closed his mind to the fact that it is recorded in the book he defends.

Jeff is right that we cannot argue with delusion. I am watching THE BOOK OF ELI and it exploits the power the Bible has over people to lead and mislead them. As long as each mind can dismiss the clear "evil" intents of the God of the Bible or twist them into something they are not, there is no talking to them about it.

bohm

OTWO: I just realized during the last 2 posts that perry believe God is not just good because he does good things, he frekkin' gets to arbitarily make up whats good and whats not. Its like the ultimate dictator. I just cant believe how anyone will be so lazy interlectual to buy that.

thetrueone

In the imaginative mind of Perry, god can be whatever is necessary at any ideological debate.

Perry creates his own little god in his own mind and then worships him with faithful devotion.

Perry needs god in his mind, for if he leaves there is a empty void of self identity and knowledge,

probably very similar to how the ancients of old would feel.

I do hope he never gets killed by someone who doesn't believe in his god and not theirs.

startingover

After reading this last barrage from the infamous Perry, I have changed my mind. In my efforts to understand I attributed it to a quirk in the brain. It's a quirk alright, but I guess it's better termed a delusion.

Perry

perry believe God is not just good because he does good things, he frekkin' gets to arbitarily make up whats good and whats not.

Bohm,

Of course that is what I am saying. How could it be any other way for a Supreme Being? Otherwise, he isn't Supreme....get it now?

If you look at your statement that I highlighted above, it is a perfect description of how in many ways the average person runs his/her life....even though they know they are not Supreme.

OTWO,

Even Perry decides what is right and wrong against God's notions. We have had this discussion before. The God of the Bible decided it was right for "his people" to rape and kill others and Perry could not accept that.

No matter how bad you want to believe otherwise, the scripture you are referring to was about MARRIAGE. That's what it says. And the guy had to wait a month after the battle to marry the captive. This was not for rape, but was for a LIFELONG marriage. It was a very serious commitment to this captive woman and to all of their future children together. Those are the facts, you cannot change those facts. Repeating otherwise in eternity will never change those facts.

Yes, God did order the execution of certain of his enemies. That is what kings sometimes do, they oppose their enemies; even the ones not of a "Supreme" nature do that. So what?

thetrueone,

Perry needs god in his mind, for if he leaves there is a empty void of self identity and knowledge,

Of course I need God for my identity. But without God, the identity does NOT become void.

First of all, understanding hell is crucial to understanding your own heart. [identity]
The parable in Luke 16:19-31 has two characters: a rich man and a poor man.
One of the things that commentators have pointed out for years is that this is the only parable in which a character—the poor man—has a proper name.
You would think the other character—the rich man—would have a name. But he doesn't. The contrast is deliberate.
The rich man was probably not an atheist or a pagan, but rather a man who would have prayed to the God of the Bible and obeyed the laws of the God of the Bible. Why no name?
In verse 25, Abraham says to the rich man, "Remember that in your lifetime you had your good things—the things that you built your life on."
For many years philosophers have talked about the summum bonum—the highest [SUPREME] good of your life. The rich man's highest good was his status and wealth.
These had been the basis for his identity, and now that he is dead and they no longer exist, there is no "him" left.
- Illustration: Søren Kierkegaard, the great Danish philosopher, wrote a book called Sickness Unto Death. In it he wrestles with the definition of sin, which he defines as building your identity on anything but God.
The traditional definition of sin is breaking God's law. While Kierkegaard agrees that breaking God's law is wrong, he wonders whether that's a sufficient definition.
Consider the Pharisees. Their self-worth was based on their morality and their religiosity, but in the end, they were building their identity on something other than God.
If you take a good thing and make it an ultimate thing, you are placing your hope in something other than God.
This misplaced focus is what starts a spiritual fire in your heart. That's what the metaphor for fire is about.
But you ask, "What are you talking about—'starts a fire'?"
The act of turning good things into ultimate things is like an addiction—and all addictions lead to internal and external devastation, isolation, and denial. This is the fire of which the Bible speaks.
- Illustration: Keller quotes a line from the animated film The Iron Giant: "Souls don't die. Souls can't die." He's right, of course. That's what the Bible says. After death the soul and your personal consciousness go on forever. [See 1 Kings 17: 21, 22 & Rev. 6: 9-11]
Every single person, religious or irreligious, moral or immoral, is addicted to grounding his or her identity in something other than God, and the human soul goes on forever. What does this mean for us in life and death?
- Illustration: C. S. Lewis puts the two together and offers an answer. He writes that if Christianity's assertion that we are going to go on forever is false, there are a good many things not worth bothering about. But if it's true, and my bad temper or my jealousy are gradually getting worse, such attributes would be absolute hell in a million years.
You see, it's not a question of whether God sends us "to hell." In every one of us there is something growing up which will be hell unless it is nipped in the bud.
- Illustration:Whenever he describes hell, C. S. Lewis says that its doors are locked from the inside. It's insanity.
Our text confirms this understanding of hell. Just look at the insanity—how out of touch with reality people are while they are in hell.
Commentators have long noted that the rich man in the parable is astonishingly blind. He is in denial, filled with blame-shifting.
Notice something else: The rich man does not ask to get out of hell; he tries to get Lazarus in hell.
He strongly insinuates that God didn't give him enough information. When he asks Lazarus to go to his five brothers to warn them about hell, he is subtly hinting that he didn't get enough information.
He even seems to say, "It's not so bad. I really don't want to be up there with you, Lazarus. I just want a break for a moment. That's all."
Let me sum up my thoughts: Hell is a freely-chosen identity based on something else other than God that goes on forever. But even while you disintegrate, you refuse to admit what hell is.
There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says in the end, "Thy will be done ."

designs

God regulated Slavery well into St.Paul's 'inspired' edict to return to one's Slave owner.........rather than abolish the horrible practice.

Groups and individuals had to go 'Heretic' and defy Scripture to bring an end to Slavery.

thetrueone

Perry are you an ancient Israelites who has been resurrected up to are modern era (2010) ?

You have all the social behavior controls intact that they had some 3000 years ago........just asking

The fear of the god or gods were utilized profoundly throughout those ancient cultures.

What better way to control social behavior in your civilization that than to instill the fear of god upon the people.

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