bohm, you are in violation of board rules by dropping the f-bomb. Please strike and rephrase and I'll continue. Deal?
For Terry - So That it Will "Make Sense"
by Perry 235 Replies latest watchtower bible
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bohm
Sorry, cant edit. insert stars at your own discretion. hope noone is hurt.
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moshe
Man has two choices with deity worship- they can choose to believe- based on their personal feeling, emotions,experiences or
They can choose Not to believe based on their lack of personal feelings,emotions and experiences. Some believe in a diety because they are following and believing in the faith of others, not on any personal experience. I believe that is the label most Christians should wear. Everything in the Bible is some dead persons experience or idea- not mine or yours. I choose to make my life based on what I see, not what some unscientific, superstitious person believed over 2000 years ago. The very notion that a Christian god/savior is talking to them is a learned experience, otherwise the barbarians in the wilderness would have already known about Jesus.
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ZeusRocks
And the guy had to wait a month after the battle to marry the captive. This was not for rape, but was for a LIFELONG marriage. It was a very serious commitment to this captive woman and to all of their future children together. Those are the facts, you cannot change those facts.
Congratulations, you have just successfully justified slavery and rape in the one sentence. The captive was taken against their will after all their family and friends were slaughtered at the command of this god. Do you honestly think a women would WANT to marry and have sex with their captor under any circumstance short of self preservation. If someone believes that this is a good way to treat others is as sick as the person who would actually do it.
If you say whatever god says is right, then you have no moral compass with which to determine anything for yourself. Hitler got his followers to believe what he was doing was right as well. Go figure.
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myelaine
dear ZeusRocks...
aren't you just assuming that women in general were treated "well" by their own people?...that may not have been the case.
love michelle
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ZeusRocks
aren't you just assuming that women in general were treated "well" by their own people?...that may not have been the case.
So that makes it okay. You have got to be kidding me with this statement as a justification for slavery and rape. History tells us that not all women were treated well. But there were a lot of societies where women were treated a hell of a lot better than the Israelites. The ancient Egyptians treated there women better that god commanded the Israelites.
Do you really think that is the point anyway. If women were being mistreated, does that give someone else to right to come along, slaughter their entire society and take them for themselves and view them as property to be done with as they please. I don't think so.
In the bible god ordered the slaughter of these people, not because they were mistreating women, but because they had a different way of life. This is a moot point anyway as evidence shows that Canaan was not invaded as the bible shows.
I'll put it in a very simplistic manner. Hitler and his henchmen slaughtered Jews including women, children and old people. What you think if the Americans had of come along and killed any women that had been already married, the old people and babies, but kept the virgins so that after a couple of months they could legally marry them and have sex with them whenever they wanted, instead of just coming along and freeing them from their oppressors.
I can look past a lot of things people say out of ignorance, but I will NEVER stand by a let ANYONE dare even think that they can justify slavery or rape under ANY circumstance.
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Perry
Zeus,
You are mistaken in many of your assumptions. We exercise the death penalty for certain crimes in modern societies. It is hypocritical to call God's judicial penalties murder while at the same time remain silent about our own societal death penalities. If you are going to use the word "God", then you must use the definitions that are common with that word.... like JUDGE. And Judges make decisions affecting the destinies of others sometimes.
Also, You'll be happy to note that there is no rape condoned in the bible .... period. Here's an in depth treatment of the case in question, already covered many times on this board.
The issue of slavery is covered here.
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myelaine
dear ZeusRocks...
"manifest destiny" is what it is...
love michelle
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ZeusRocks
It is hypocritical to call God's judicial penalties murder while at the same time remain silent about our own societal death penalities.
No it is not hypocritical. People who commit atrocious acts in our society are punished. Even leaders and judges vwho commit atrocious acts can be punished. But when god commits atrocious acts, it's fine because he says so and cannot be questioned. That is a tyrant.
If you are going to use the word "God", then you must use the definitions that are common with that word.... like JUDGE.
I do not have to use any definition you think applies to god. I am going by what is written in the bible and if someone can justify even the laws he gave to Israel does not give a crap about whether something is inhumane or not, only whether god says something is right or not.
Also, You'll be happy to note that there is no rape condoned in the bible .... period
Keep telling yourself that. What would you call a man forcing himself on a woman.
Plus you said nothing of slavery. If someone can justify a human owning another human as property, then they are beyond any sense of humanity. -
Perry
Now, the bible describe a character who claim to be a God1, but we really cant know if he is a God1, or just a dishonest God2 with an odd sence of humor. How do we make that judgement?
bohm,
Simple. If bad God2 could prevent Supreme God1 from revealing himself to his children, then God1 isn't Supreme. And, since that is an impossibility, there is nothing to worry about.