For Terry - So That it Will "Make Sense"

by Perry 235 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    I think that people on either side of the "equation" will always see the right on their side and the wrong on the other side, its human nature.

    While its great to debate these things and have fun, we do need to remember that BOTH sides are only stating an opinion, their opinion.

    Nothing more and nothing less, no matter how authoritive that opinion may be, it doesn't make it right.

    That goes for both sides.

    So debate and discuss all you like, just remember that at the end of the day, we are ALL the same and are all just trying to co-exist and get by.

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog

    Designs

    I'm glad you don't see me as your great satin. I don't believe in a literal hell. I believe the place you're headed to, is far worse than "literal Hell".

  • designs
    designs

    DD-

    I just love it, you can't make this stuff up.

    Boo

    Fundamentalists, Witnesses, and Muslims just have a Jones for people's painful demise....

  • Perry
    Perry

    What could be worse than literal hell DD?

  • keyser soze
    keyser soze
    What could be worse than literal hell DD?

    I can think of worse things. I just read this entire thread.

  • JWoods
    JWoods
    So Terry,
    Would you trade your life so that your daughter could live?

    You would not have to if you were God. And that is exactly the point - the legalistic and nonsensical circumstances of a ransom.

  • Perry
    Perry

    Moshe,

    I read that the unemployment rate for devout church goers is, GASP, the same as the unchurched, which is anecdotal evidence that God doesn't give a hoot about whether you have a job or not.

    How do you know who is a wheat and who is a weed? Wouldn't you have know that to draw a conclusion? Personally, I have had to sell my house, and have lost money for each of the last three years. Yet, my children are fed. I make it to church in my nice car. I live in a much more convenient and energy efficient rental home. I have time for prayer and study. Somehow, even though there is too much month at the end of my paychecks, somehow we are surviving. We are even closer to God now.

    Remember the miracle of the bread and the fish that fed the five thousand? That's how God works, the math doesn't add up; yet still - GOD. He controls all the math.

    There is no repeatable prayer formula to make sure the the prayer you prayed for healing works for the person sitting in the pew in front of you. What gives with that?

    True, but there is a formula outlined in contract form that guarantees unending healthy life. Sickness and death is our part of that contract for now. (Heb. 9:27)

    I am not the least bit jealous of of anyone who claims to have undeserved grace and that special saved feeling inside.

    Well, I wish you were a bit more jealous Moshe. It was one of the things that prompted me to look to Jesus to save me from my misery. He delivered as promised in due time.

    They say Jesus has already forgiven your transgression, because he paid the price for you sin. Jews don't believe that man was born with that sort of sin, so man has no need for a personal redeemer. The Torah's garden of Eden story, is their story, so a person should give some weight to their interpretation.

    Why is everyone so over-occupied with the Garden of Eden? Jews weren't trying to get rid of Adam's sin when they placed their hands on the head of a bull or goat in order to transfer their personal sin onto the animal and then slit its throat. It was their sin being destroyed, and every Jew knew it.

    Likewise, without Jesus it is you and your sin(s) that will be on trial on Judgment Day .... not Adams.

    Should not the Designer be the one to Judge. If not him, then who?

    JWoods

    You would not have to if you were God.

    Au contrair. The more so. For, if God refuses to judge evil then that in fact makes him evil for having the ability but refusing to exercise it.

    While God MUST be judge by virtue of his nature, HE IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE SAVIOR. This was an act of pure nobility and LOVE. The greater the Love, the greater the desire to Save at a corresponding cost. Since God's love is infinite, it makes sense that his desire to save would be quite high as well.

    Both God's Justice and Love are in play in his dealings with man.

  • JWoods
    JWoods
    Au contrair. The more so. For, if God refuses to judge evil then that in fact makes him evil for having the ability but refusing to exercise it.

    Exactly. And thus we still find ourselves in exactly the same condition, 2000 years after the ransom.

  • Perry
    Perry

    Hardly. Untold millions have been adopted into God's eternal loving family since then and avoided the GWT judgment.

  • JWoods
    JWoods
    Hardly. Untold millions have been adopted into God's eternal loving family since then and avoided the GWT judgment.

    But nobody avoids disease and eventual death.

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