LOL@thetrueone.
How did you do that?
Tammy
How the TRINITY covers up the murder of Jehovah
by Terry 146 Replies latest watchtower bible
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thetrueone
Here's the web site Tammy, have some fun
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myelaine
dear Terry...
who told you that God killed His own children in the noah account as related in your post: 9240
"God is a "parent" who destroys his own children! Have you forgotten Noah's day? What is THAT all about? You are so narrowly focused on rescuing the loving god from the entire picture painted in the Bible of a malevolent, volatile, murderous, tyrannical, sometimes pussycat, luvvy-wuvvy God that you don't get the ENTIRE portrait in frame. "
God saves as a "parent"...if there were only 8 righteous souls then the rest had to have been unrighteous...maybe even real bad. what was going on in those days?
love michelle
p.s. (you're so droll sometimes...maybe I am...but you are for sure)
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Quentin
God is what we want God to be, nothing more, nothing less. Jesus is a mythological being created after what Paul wrote, that was circulated around to various "Jesus Communities".Remember Paul's writings are older than the gospels. Draw your own conclusions.
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myelaine
dear Quentin...
"God is what we want God to be"...
what holy book did you get that from?...or were you just drawing your own conclusions about a very recent god?
love michelle
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Pistoff
Jesus is NOT a figure of myth; he lived and was executed, really the only 2 things secular history can verify.
TEC sees in Jesus a messiah figure, though the christian idea of messiah is at odds with jewish expectations.
TEC has accepted that jesus fulfills Paul's description of messiah: he lived, died and was lifted up by God, he carries our sin like the goat for Azazel, he is the propitiatory sacrifice.
Jesus is historical; the idea of Jesus the Christ is a theological interpretation.
I do not believe jesus considered himself a messiah; how would he? He was raised as a jew and would have likely held to the jewish notion of a messiah.
I am not convinced he was an apocalyptic preacher either, though that is the trend even of scholars.
The core of what jesus preached is consistent with a cynic sage, with a very healthy dose of social justice and rebellion against corrupt authority.
What has followed Jesus, ironically but not surpisingly, was the creation of the largest religious power structure ever, one that does not embrace his values of poverty, social justice and flaunting corrupt authority.
What built up around Jesus, thanks initially to Paul, was a mixture of the beliefs of the day: messianism and apocalyptic.
Modern evangelicals cling to the hope that Jesus really did say he would return, and that he will.
But that misses the point: Jesus message was that power structure around religion is corrupt, our day being no different, and that one does not need power structure to experience god.
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PSacramento
IN OTHER WORDS: the only thing REAL about God is how desperate you are for a magical solution to a problem.
And those of us that don't view God as A/The solution to a problem ?
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PSacramento
Along YOUR point, even the Bible's divinity isn't agreed upon inter-religion! Christians "laugh" at the Koran and Muslims "laugh" at the Bible whereas both groups devote their lives to something that many look at in disgust!
You see why the Bible cannot prove itself? Or why the Koran cannot prove itself?
The thread is about the "God of the NT killing the God of the OT", correct? ( Trinity over YHWH), well since these are biblical themes then they must be discussed with the bible as their some "yard stick", if they were NOT Biblical themes then yes, you can argue them outside that context, but they are.
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Pistoff
The thread is about the "God of the NT killing the God of the OT", correct? ( Trinity over YHWH), well since these are biblical themes then they must be discussed with the bible as their some "yard stick", if they were NOT Biblical themes then yes, you can argue them outside that context, but they are.
The thread does not have to be discussed inside the frame, since the concept of God, Yahweh and deity are not exclusive to the OT or NT, and those libraries of books do not hold claim to be the only authority, or even a good authority, on the concept of god as imagined by culture.
They are great examples of how the idea of god morphs over centuries though, and how centuries of editing and redacting will create the impression of god directed history and events.
But the OT/NT cannot be examined objectively by one who believes them to be infallible; the trap there is similar to the one the jews had: God is all powerful, we are his people, and he can and must protect his people, therefore if bad things happen to us it must be OUR fault.
Viewing the OT/NT as the ultimate authority leads to circular reasoning and conclusions unsupported in history and reality.
IMO.
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PSacramento
Pistoff,
Yes, we can discuss the concept of God outside the OT/NT, but you really can't discuss the concept of the OT/NT God outside of the bible because it is unique to the bible.
The trinity was formulated based on what was interpreted from the bible and the views we have of the OT YHWH are from the OT.
We can compare them to sources outside the bible yes, but if we are discussing when the "OT God" was "killed" by the NT God" in the bible, then we need to stay within the bible.
And no, there is no need to view the bible as infalliable to do that.