WHO ARE THE FALSE PROPHETS TODAY?

by Dogpatch 270 Replies latest jw friends

  • Consfearacy
    Consfearacy

    Mary - After reading what you just posted, I'm not even going into anything you took out of context in those articles for obvious reasons except for this one. Whether you understand matters not to me.

    "A religion that teaches lies cannot be true." Watchtower 1991 December 1, p. 7

    You say you perceive me or "know" that I'm brainwashed and I perceive you of malicious intent. Because you obviously have no reservations about trashing the name of Jehovah's Witnesses. That could be a good thing if you can explain what religion teaches the Truth. There are people who don't care. That's how you come across.

    As for you, beloved ones, call to mind the sayings that have been previously spoken by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, how they used to say to you: “In the last time there will be ridiculers, proceeding according to their own desires for ungodly things.” These are the ones that make separations, animalistic [men], not having spirituality. Jude 17-19

  • Essan
    Essan

    Consfearacy,

    I truly hope you take the time to read carefully all of the posts, quotes and links that were posted in reply to you over many pages here. People have spent an awful lot of time, research and energy in answering your points pretty thoroughly and you seem to breeze past 99% of them as if nothing was said. I personally suspect you don't really read what is written as I cannot imagine anyone with an ounce of reasonableness or love of God and truth reading what you have been shown and not being deeply, deeply concerned about the words and actions of their organization. Remember, we have all been exactly where you are now. There is nothing different between us except that we have experienced and eventually shrugged off the conditioning which still clouds your mind. It is frustrating in the extreme to deal with someone who defends the indefensible, ignores the obvious and is immune to facts and Scriptural truth. But that is what living as part of a cult will do to you. We know whereof we speak. Many here were deeply wounded and affected by their experience as JW's and so don't expect all of us to greet you with warmth when you defend unquestioningly a deeply destructive and abusive Organization in the face of overwhelming damning evidence. Don't mistake that hurt and frustration for 'malice'. One day, you'll realize, because you'll likely find yourself in our position. The truth can't be resisted forever, not if you continually allow yourself to be exposed to it.

    You asked Mary "You obviously have no reservations about trashing the name of Jehovah's Witnesses. That could be a good thing if you can explain what religion teaches the Truth"

    If I may answer you with my perspective - you are supposed to be a Christian. So you already know what the true Religion is: Christianity. The JW's have confused you by speaking of different religions when that wasn't indicated in the Bible. There is Christianity, which is a religion, and all Christian denominations are part of that, JW's included. They all together - including JW's - constitute 'Christendom'. Sorry to break it to you, but you are still part of 'Christendom'. The Apostasy set in during the 1st century and it is still going. No religion has 'come out'. Those dates for such events that the Society gave, like so many other of their dates, were wrong, presumptuous and premature. All these denominations are all deficient and in error in various ways, some more than others. JW's are just another Christian denomination, and not even a very good one, as you'll discover in time. They are like the congregations in Revelation, some weak some strong, all with their flaws, some catastrophically so.

    So, which 'religion' will you go to? You're a Christian, so go to Christianity. Go to the Bible - free of men's interpretations. Go to Jesus. Go to others who do the same. Stop thinking in a fleshly way. Stop thinking about supposed "Organizations' and "Religions', neither of which are discussed in the Bible. Stop being a 'slave of men'. Think spiritually. If you do that, you might in time be guided as to which denomination or group you might associate with within the religion of 'Christianity', in order to best live as a free Christian. That would be my advice.

    You ask "where should we go away to", but that's the wrong question. It's the physical question. The correct question is "Whom shall we go away to" and you already know the answer. You go away from lying, destructive, "visible organizations" and you go "away to" the one you believe "has sayings of everlasting life", and you wont find him in this or that Organizational "mountain", you'll find him "in spirit and truth". John 4:21-23.

  • Consfearacy
    Consfearacy

    "Essan said, So you already know what the true Religion is: Christianity. The JW's have confused you by speaking of different religions when that wasn't indicated in the Bible. There is Christianity, which is a religion, and all Christian denominations are part of that, JW's included. They all together - including JW's constitute 'Christendom'. Sorry to break it to you, but you are still part of Christendom. The Apostasy set in during the 1st century and it is still going. No religion has 'come out"

    If Jehovah can't prove himself any better than Zeus or Apollo can in a supernatural sense, then he's probably not real in spite of anything the Bible says." If God doesn't reveal himself to a person, either he isn't real or there's something wrong with a person internally. We have been living in religious freedom for over 200 years. There's no logical reason for global apostasy, worldwide spiritual darkness unless it's deliberately chosen.

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    Renibator 'died' and confearacy came to life instantly thereafter...on the same thread. Interesting.

  • Mary
    Mary
    Consfearacy said: Mary - After reading what you just posted, I'm not even going into anything you took out of context in those articles for obvious reasons

    Translation: And the obvious reasons are: I'm not going to respond to anything you posted because I have no rebuttal for anything you showed me. However, I still refuse to acknowledge that the WTS fits the biblical definition of a false prophet (even though they clearly are), so I will continue to ignore the proof and evidence given to me while at the same time, continue to post ridiculous rants about other topics such as Zeus and Apollo in the hopes of deflecting from the main topic at hand."

    Consfearacy, I think Essan summed it up well. It is extremely difficult when you are 100% convinced that you are in 'the Truth', to be shown evidence that it is not 'the Truth' at all. That is what brainwashing and mind-control do to a person. Witnesses are by no means the only ones who are victims of a high control group. Mormons, Scientologists, Islam plus a whole host of off-shoot cults that are too numerous to name, all control their 'flock' the same way: by claiming to have a special relationship with God where He reveals His will to them and only them, and by refusing to allow anyone to question their authority. If you want to continue to live your life under the boot of such tyranny----knock yourself out.

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    Accurate translation Mary.

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    Confearacy's reply to me:

    I won't judge you personally because you never know, you could be on house arrest.

    My reply: Whether I am or not has no bearing on the issue of whether the org is a false prophet.

    Confearac said: You can at least chalk up an organization so some comparisons can made. Google: Religions of Today's World for a fair assessment.

    So far you can speak with impunity because you choose not to identify yourself with any organization whose track record can be scrutinized. That's commonly the position of people who oppose Jehovah's Witnesses. Conceal all the skeletons hiding in your closet while condemning others.

    My reply: I have not stated whether I identify with another org or not. Nor does it matter...this is a JW forum, we discuss JW-related issues. The org stands or falls on the basis of its own evaluation- not that of others. You certainly do lack reasoning skills.

  • Mary
    Mary
    Consfearacy said: Because you obviously have no reservations about trashing the name of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    And Jehovah's Witnesses have no reservations about trashing every other religion on the face of the earth as being part of "false religion". Kind of a double standard you've got there 'Consfearacy' wouldn't you say? You don't like it when someone points out the glaring faults of the WTS, but you have no problem in pointing out the faults of everyone else. It would be nice if the WTS actually taught what Jesus said in Luke 6:41:

    "Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but ignore the rafter in your own eye?"

    That could be a good thing if you can explain what religion teaches the Truth.

    Just for the record, I don't believe any one group can claim a monopoly on having the 'one true religion'. Jehovah's Witnesses are however, one of the more vocal groups that claim sole ownership of what "truth" is, while condemning every other religion on the face of the earth as being "false". Members, like yourself, are taught to point out all of the false doctrines that other religions teach as being proof that they are not approved by God, yet at the same time, Witnesses are taught to simply overlook all the false doctrines and false prophecies that the WTS has made over the last 130 years, for no other reason other than they don't want to be viewed as "false prophets."

  • metatron
    metatron

    There isn't any such thing as a "true" religion any more than there is a "true" automobile or "true" supermarket - with others being "false".

    The universe is "God" and we are just part of it, along with alligators, mosquitoes, bed bugs, telephone poles and other people. The Watchtower channel to God is a myth, as shown by 130 years of prophetic failure.

    Once you get religion out of the way, it's all very simple.

    metatron

  • jookbeard
    jookbeard

    a strange coincidence Issac and both handy with cut-and-pasting, would like to add that Mary/Essan and Chris' responses in this thread have been world class

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