These letters will blow your mind!

by Dogpatch 77 Replies latest jw friends

  • bluesapphire
    bluesapphire

    Since Hawk is going to send this tomorrow, I wanted to make sure to thank Mr. Jensen and also the "Higher Ups" at Bethel who are responsible for leaking these letters if they're reading.

    Mr. Jensen, you have a lot of friends who are here for you. It is evident by your letters that you did all you could to HELP the Society come clean with the blood issue.

    I am sorry that your efforts were unappreciated by them. But they are greatly appreciated by all those whose lives could be saved. I know I will be sharing these letters with a number of witness friends and they will be able to see for themselves the error of the "no" blood policy and the way the Society deals with honest questions.

    Although you never meant for this to happen, it is due to your letters that it is happening. When things get rough, just think how many people your helping.

    Your Friend,
    Bluesapphire

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    This thread. I want him to see everything.

    I will attach a letter explaining what its about.

    hawk

  • Faithful2Jah
    Faithful2Jah

    I just want to elaborate on what Gumby wrote earlier.

    I believe it is quite plain to all Christian groups except Jehovah's Witnesses that the instructions recorded in Acts 15:29, "Keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication," were only written as strong advise to new Gentile Christians as a way they could avoid offending Jewish Christians. This is quite evident simply by reading the context of those verses. Acts 15:19, 20 says, "My decision is not to trouble those of the NATIONS who are turning to God, but to write THEM to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood."

    It is also plain that these words were not written as a binding decree imposed upon Christians. We know this because Paul later said that early Christians were, in fact, free to eat things sacrificed to idols ( one of the things Christians were advised to "abstain from" in Acts 15 ) so long as doing so did not stumble their brothers. (1 Cor. 8:4,7-9) We also know this because Paul said that for Christians, "All things are lawful but all things are not beneficial." (1 Cor. 6:12)

    That the Watchtower Society does not, or at least claims they do not, understand this is very hard to believe. I think Brother Jensen has to seriously consider the possibility that the Watchtower Society is not what it claims to be, Christ's "faithful and discreet slave," and the possibility that it may, in fact, be nothing more than another man made religion which cares much more about saving face and protecting its corporate interests than it cares about "the truth."

    However, Brother Jensen does seem to care about truth. And for that I commend him. He will be in my prayers tonight.

  • plmkrzy
    plmkrzy

    Mr. Jensen,
    I'd like to 2nd everything bluesapphire said. Being born
    and raised in the "Truth" I have heard arguments regarding
    the blood policy my entire life. I have asked questions as
    recently as less than two years ago in reference to accepting
    blood, what exactly is it that makes it a sin? The most honest
    answer came from a pioneer women I studied with for awhile,
    she said "I'm not really sure, I guess all we can do is
    speculate". After reading your letters to the Governing Body
    I fill for the first time I have a crystal clear understanding
    of how they should have been addressing the issue all along and haven't. Thank you, JanB

  • teejay
    teejay

    Mr. Jensen,

    The time and care required to research, contemplate, write and re-write what you have done here is truly astounding. It is obvious that you are a man of strong integrity and honor, and it is equally obvious that you have a deep love for your family and the Witnesses that look to you for help. Your interest in providing them with reliable information is remarkable. If only all elders were as conscientious.

    I'm very sorry that your letters to Bethel have been put on display as they have been here, as remarkable as they are. I sincerely hope that you suffer not a single moment's worth of hardship as a result. It is clear that you had no intention of these letters ever seeing the light of day, and it is my strong wish that any hoping to make use of them to injure you in any way take that into consideration.

    That being said, what you have compiled here is nothing short of outstanding. You may not be aware of it, but in my opinion you have helped many, many people and perhaps have saved countless lives.

    Take care,
    tj

  • Sam Beli
    Sam Beli

    Dear Mr. Jensen,

    I was delighted to read your well reasoned letters last night regarding the WTS’s blood policy. You have obviously given much thought to this subject. I am writing to let you know that you are not alone in being frustrated and disillusioned by the blood policy.

    What may have started out years ago as simply a mistake in theology has become a stubbornly held doctrine that needlessly kills hundreds each year. My first rude awakening to the error connected to the blood doctrine was when I was explaining it years ago to a few physicians. I mentioned “eating blood,” referring to transfusion and one of them immediately spoke up and said that a transfusion was NOT “eating” blood. The Society has also learned that lesson because they long ago stopped using the two terms synonymously.

    Please be assured that you are not alone. I was baptized before 1950; served in various capacities including elder and assembly speaker for over twenty years before becoming disillusioned and personally running headlong into the blood policy. My story follows; I hope it gives you some comfort knowing that many of us have gone where you too have been:

    Blood Saved My Life

    A few years ago, I faced severe illness. It was a slowly progressive illness. As death neared, I was told that an organ transplant could be potentially life saving. Before an organ became available, I became extremely ill, at which time I was placed in an ICU and was told that I needed FFP (fresh frozen plasma). My red cell count was down too, but the immediate problem was that my blood would not clot. I was literally bleeding internally (plasma was oozing out of my blood vessels into the surrounding tissue resulting in great swelling of my body). My body could no longer make the clotting factors or other proteins needed.

    An HLC member had told me that administration of albumin was "OK" to help correct the protein problem. I had been getting large doses of albumin for days before I was admitted to the ICU. Still I got worse. The same HLC person then told me in ICU that I could not take the FFP because it was not on the Societies permitted list. He said that factor VIII was OK (it is available separately from FFP). The doctors had told me that getting factor VIII was not enough. There were a number of other components in FFP that I also needed.

    The principle ICU physician (intensivist) arranged (with my approval) to meet at my bedside with the HLC person to discuss the matter of my treatment. The HLC person again stated that any clotting factor was OK as long as it was administered separately from the FFP (I was puzzled that he had a little grin on his face as he made that statement). The physician explained that many components of FFP were not available separately. The HLC person readily admitted that that was the case. The meeting concluded as I indicated that I understood the Society’s position as stated by this HLC person. He seemed to be under the impression that I would be going along with his recommendation that I refuse the FFP. Actually, I felt confused, bewildered, scared, somewhat desperate, but most of all embarrassed that the JWs with whom I had willingly identified myself seemed so unreasonable, silly and down right ignorant, to say nothing about their arrogance.

    A little later that evening the physician returned to ask me what I thought of our discussion with the HLC elder. I admitted to him that I was confused by the seeming inconsistency of the HLC’s "reasoning." Only after I indicated to him that the HLC elder's points seemed hollow and contradictory did this doctor say in effect that his remarks were the worst case of double talk that he had ever heard. We agreed that if all of the FFP components were OK separately, it made no sense to prohibit them together (I thanked Jehovah that as sick as I was on that day, I still had enough mental capacity to recognize such double-talk).

    I gave permission for the FFP and it was administered that same night out of sight of the elders at the suggestion of this caring doctor (he referred to the HLC elder as the "Gestapo").

    I began to improve almost immediately after receiving the FFP. A few days later, an organ became available and I survived the transplant operation. I am again able to make my own clotting factors and other blood components.

    Had I chosen to stick to the Societies position (that was my intention until I heard the double talk), I would have died within a matter of days or weeks. As it is I have had many years of additional life.

    Sam Beli

    I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Hey Mr.Jensen,It took a lot of guts to hold their(WBTS)feet to the fire on the blood issue.So many people have suffered or died over an issue they`ve decided to change their minds about.You did good...OUTLAW

  • IslandWoman
    IslandWoman

    Those at Bethel who disclosed Br. Jensen's name showed cowardice. They showed no regard for him, yet HIDE THEMSELVES!!!

    What is this? The end justifies the means? Yeah for those who cover their tails!!!!

    GO GUYS!!!!!!!!

    IW

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    Brother Jensen,

    Your letters were astoundingly, surpassingly, reasonable and heartfelt. I am in admiration not only of the arguments set forth therein, but also of the tone and manner in which you presented them.
    You truly are an example to your congregation, Brother Elder. You showed tact, wisdom and an enormous amount of patience, courage and forbearance throughout.

    Alas, the WTBTS (CCoJW?) is not interested in truth or in proving scripturally their reasoning on some blood components but not others.

    Funnily enough, when the June 1, 1990 Watchtower came out "authorizing" several blood fractions, I took it up with the CO, and then a local elder who was on the HLC convinced me NOT to write the Society on the subject. I got the feeling he was trying to protect me, and he likely was... probably knew the kind of convoluted response I'd get! He, too, asked me to just swallow the anger I had that a fraction I'd refused just two years before was now "allowed" and agree with him that it was a personal conscience matter now. Arrggh!!! Thus my childbearing days were cut short and no peep out of me! ('til I left, anyway!)

    I realize that you did not authorize publication of these letters and that those who are working for reform on the blood issue from within the organization are responsible for our being able to feast our eyes and minds on them. It is very interesting to contrast your letters with the Writing Dept.'s. Yours seem so clear, theirs seem so ridiculous to me now.

    I am with you in that I never understood how "some" blood could be allowed. If the prohibition was really "abstain from blood" then, dagnabbit!, that meant ALL blood for Jews and Gentiles alike. If the prohibition was actually a recommendation for how not to stumble your Jewish brothers who were still used to being under the Law, then it was temporary and ALL blood IS ALLOWED to be used to preserve life.

    Life is a gift from God. So is your intellect. May you use both in a way that makes you feel good about your life choices.

    Thank you.
    (and thanks to those varmints in Brooklyn, too! )

    outnfree

    It's what you learn after you know it all that counts -- John Wooden

  • Nowfree
    Nowfree

    Dear Mr Jensen,

    Thank you for your research into the blood doctrine that the Watchtower teaches.

    My daughter has heart-lung problems, and because of this i started researching the doctrine. i found so many inconsistencies that i could not in all conscience stick to the Society's policy and refuse blood for my daughter.

    My stand on this has caused incredible problems. My husband still believes in the Society, and sees nothing wrong in their stand on blood. He still believes they have never changed their minds about what is and isn't "acceptable" regarding fractions and components. Our marriage has now finished.

    The way I see it is this: If the WT society was God's organisation on the earth, then they would get the information right the FIRST time. There would be no need for changes in policy, changes in direction, or any need for NEW LIGHT. The fact that they are continually changing policy is evidence enough for me that they are NOT Gods organisation on the earth.

    Therefore they have no RIGHT to dictate and impose their own personal beliefs on others in such serious matters. This really does affect peoples LIVES.

    Thank you for taking this issue up with the Society. I sincerely hope you do not suffer adversely because of your name appearing on the letters.

    Please be reassured that there are thousands and thousands of people across the world, all ex-JWs, who feel the same as you do. You are not alone.

    Thankyou.

    Nowfree

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