Does The Name Really Matter? (page 16)

Chalam

AGuest As a result, you are assuming the words "holy spirit" were capitalized, so as to depict the Holy Spirit. They were not... and did not.

There is no capitalisation and neither punctuation in the original koine Greek text. Thus is the job of the translator to insert them as needed to make the text readable.

THOSE POEPLE THAT LEAVE CAPS LOCK ON AND DO NOT USE PUNCTUATION MAKE THE TEXT QUITE DIFFICULT TO READ IT IS PERCEIVED AS SHOUTING I THINK IT IS MUCH BETTER TO HAVE THE PUNCTUATION AND CAPITALISATION IN PLACE RATHER THAN TAKING THE ORIGINAL UNFORMATTED TEXT TOO LITERALLY HOLY SPIRIT INCLUDED

Blessings,

Stephen

OUTLAW

Chalam..

Jesus H Christ on a Pogo Stick!..

Do you really expect people to read all that?..LOL!!..

That is one long ass post..

It goes all the way to the middle of next week!..

...................... ...OUTLAW

Chalam

Agreed, I hate long ass posts!

Anyhow, grab the popcorn, there is good stuff there :)

Blessings,

Stephen

PSacramento

In Matthew chapter 28:19, the great commsions, Jesus tells them to Baptize in the name of father and son and holy spirit, none are capitallized NOR is there any definite or indefinite article.

Now, the greeks writing does tend to leave out the indefiniate ones, but they do add the definate when they ( the writers) feel it is need, which they have not doen so here it seems.

Making it so that the singular NAME is applied to all three: father, son, holy spirit.

One things is for sure, the commandment is to Baptize with all three since Matthew writes "kai" ( and) in the text and NO MORE is to be added to the baptisim rite, no one or no other mention beyond father, son and holy spirit.

donuthole

@PSacramento

Despite my concerns with the accuracy of Matthew 28:19 I do believe that there is a singular NAME shared by Father, Son, and Spirit. It is totally out of bounds to insert others into the equation such as when the Watchtower baptizes into the "spirit-directed organization."

-Anthony

PSacramento

Donuthole,

I am aware of the possible issues with Matt.28:19, but we see that Paul, for example, when confronted by some that though being baptized by one apostle was more right" than by another said it plainly:

"Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel -- not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power".

Baptisim in of itself means very little, its just a shower or bath depending on how it is done.

The crucial element is the receiving of the holy spirit via Jesus:

"For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body -- whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free" (1 Corinthians 12:13). The Holy Spirit baptizes us or identifies us as a child of God and then seals us and sets us apart to the "day of redemption" or the day when our redemption will be completed and we see Him "face to face." "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption" (Ephesians 4:30).

Chalam

Baptisim in of itself means very little, its just a shower or bath depending on how it is done.

Ouch! You were going so well PS ;)

Firstly, baptism is a command fromt the Lord.

He doesn't tell us to do something that doesn't actually benefit us!

Blessings,

Stephen

PSacramento

Ok, I meant the ACT/ STEPRS of Baptisim doesn't mean as much, whether one is dunked or trickled on or if it is doen by a priest or father or layperson, what matters is the accepting of Our Lord as Lord and saviour.

Chalam

AGuest

Ummmm... greetings all... and may you all have peace!

First, dear Chalam, peace to you... and please, do not take offense at my emphatic statements. My fingers type VERY fast, and so sometimes I slow down to use italics (vs. caps) to emphasize... and sometimes I don't. When you read my statements, please "allow" yourself to hear a soft voice... with stressors where there are italics or caps. Because that really is all that is meant. Please excuse, pardon, and forgive my "style," if you can. Thank you!

Now, then:

There are indeed issues with Matthew 28:19, 20... starting with the fact that it was never stated that way... as corroborated by dear Chalam's quote:

"For we were all baptized... BY one Spirit... INTO one Body."

Notice there, we are baptized by the Holy Spirit (and not IN THE NAME OF the Holy Spirit)... and baptized into one Body. Christ's.

Where did the confusion come from? From mistransliteration of the original HEBREW/ARAMAIC... into Greek... by those who did NOT have the training, guidance, or leading of the Holy Spirit, but simply leaned on their OWN understanding of what was said... because of their MISUNDERSTANDING... of what was MEANT. But WE don't have to misunderstand. WE know about the Holy Spirit! And so, in letting HIM guide us, we can KNOW that the statement originally was:

"Baptizing them in the name of the Father... INTO THE SON... in holy spirit."

Is there more to corroborate that truth? Of course, there is. Because WE are not concerned with 'water' baptism, are we? THAT... was the baptism of "John"... and solely for the Jews/Samaritans (including the Ethiopian eunuch who, albeit Ethiopian by nationality, was a Jew by birth... which is WHY he was in Jerusalem... worshipping at the temple!... and Cornelius, who albeit a Samaritan by geography and possibly nationality (he was from Caesarea, which was in Samaria!)... was an Israelite... by birth!).

Paul did not 'water' baptize many... because HE was an apostle... to the NATIONS. The nations were never UNDER the Law Covenant, so they did need to "repent" of any transgressions against it! They, therefore, only required the ONE baptism... the one that John told of beforehand... baptism... by FIRE.... the "fire" that cleans SO much more than water... HOLY SPIRIT. Not THE Holy Spirit... but God's holy spirit... His life force, blood semen... "water"... of life!

There is a singular name shared by the Father AND the Son/Holy Spirit: JAH. The Father's name is "JAH [Veh]"... and the Son/Holy Spirit's is "JAH [eShua]".

Dear ones... you are walking by SIGHT... and not by FAITH. You are letting the words and symbols that you READ... with your EYES... (or fingers, if you read braille)... "teach" you. Rather than letting the Holy SPIRIT teach you... by means of the anointing that is IN you.

Which, please forgive me for saying this, causes ME to have to QUESTION your profession of HAVING such an anointing! I know you may WANT it... but I must confess that I do not understand how it is that if you indeed HAVE it... you do not HEAR him speak! Or, what you claim to hear... does not comport with what is written that you put YOUR faith in... or even with the truth!

What you are suggesting is that YOU are true... and GOD is the liar. How can that BE??

There is only one baptism... as many you say yourselves. Yet, you keep pushing that 'water' baptism. The word of my Lord to me just now, dear ones is...

"Israel passed through the water, yet they all died. Naaman passed through the water, yet he died. The water that I give you... you must DRINK. It must come to be IN you... so as to bubble up IN you and become a 'fountain' of life... WITHIN you. Life... IN yourselves. The same 'fire' that cleansed the mouths of the Prophets so that they could stand before the throne of the Most Holy One of Israel... is the same 'fire' that must cleanse you. It is 'water' that comes out of ME... and from no other source. It is 'living' water. Those you baptize must pass through THIS 'water'... because it is THIS 'water' that cleanses them of their sins. That water that men know cleansed in symbol of repentance for sins under Moses. For those who were bound to Moses. THIS 'water'... cleanses... forever... those who in union... with ME."

I, myself, SA, have spoken it to you just as I received it from my Lord, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, who is the Son and Christ of the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies.

May you be granted ears to hear... if you truly wish them... when the Spirit and the Bride say to each of YOU:

"Come! Take 'life's water'... the holy spirit of God, which spirit is poured out from the inwards parts of His Chosen One and Anointed King... JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH... FREE!"

Your servant, as I am servant to ALL those of the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with, and a slave of Christ,

SA

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