Im afraid Jesus is a myth taken from the Egyptian savior Horus

by foolsparadise 55 Replies latest jw friends

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  bohm

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Christ_in_comparative_mythology

  "Self-taught amateur Egyptologist Gerald Massey argued that the deity of Horus and Jesus shared identical mythological origins in his 1907 book Ancient Egypt, the light of the world. [ 12 ] His views have been repeated by theologian and Toronto Star columnist Tom Harpur, author Acharya S, and political comedian Bill Maher. [ 13 ] [ 14 ] [ 15 ] Theologian W. Ward Gasque composed an e-mail to twenty leading Egyptologists, including Professor Emeritus of Egyptology at the University of Liverpool Kenneth Kitchen, and Professor of Egyptology at the University of Toronto Ron Leprohan. The e-mail detailed the comparisons alleged by Massey which had been repeated by Harpur. The scholars were unanimous in dismissing any similarities suggested by Massey, and one Egyptologist criticized the comparison as "fringe nonsense." [16]"

  Maher and a lot of youtubers just lost a lot of respect in my book.
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  THE GLADIATOR

  There have been many legends and characters symbolising the battle between good and evil; or more accurately positive and negative forces.

  Jesus has always been seen as a positive force and associated with light, as opposed to darkness. At present he is seen as a metaphor for kindness, love and hope. If belief in him inspires such qualities, then a positive purpose is served whether he is myth or real.
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  cognizant dissident

  If belief in him inspires such qualities, then a positive purpose is served whether he is myth or real.

  The problem is that it only inspires such qualities in people who already possessed them. The mean assholes who believe in Jesus, were that way before and stay that way after.
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  designs

  Study Judaism then reread the Gospels, it will mean something entirely different to you than you were ever taught at the Kingdom Hall or in Church.

  Jesus- Whether you take him as a real person or figuratively was simply following in a centuries old Jewish Tradition, he was an Itinerant Rabbi of the Midrash Rabbah. These men made the complex Halachic Torah simple for everyday folk teaching them the moral and ethical highlights they could use in everyday life. Sagas, Parables, and wise sayings were their gifts to people.

  In many cases they were culturally progressive, Agadic Midrashim Rabbi Meir began classes specifically for women. The great work known as the Pesichtah is an anthology of 33 sermons which sound very much like a real Agadic Midrashim Jewish Jesus used. This work survived and was an inspiration for the Russian writer Tolstoy.
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  THE GLADIATOR

  cognizant dissident The problem is that it only inspires such qualities in people who already possessed them.

  This is true to a degree. People tend to admire or follow people that reflect the qualities they have or desire to possess; or use them as scapegoats to do what we want in their name. Jesus has been used as an excuse for many atrocities during the last 2000 years.

  Now that the crusades are over, modern churches tend to dwell on the more positive aspects of Jesus message. From my own experience I find today's Christians an agreeable bunch who look for the best in people.
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  bohm

  design - do you have a good book on that subject?
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  designs

  Bohm- There are several good sources, I like the book The Book Of Jewish Knowledge by Nathan Ausubel but google the words Midrash Rabbah, Talmud, Agadic Midrashim, or early teachers like Meir, Hillel. There is a whole history of Judaism from 500BC to 1000AD that sheds a new light to people unfamiliar with Jewish thought and philosophy on what was developing in Judaism.
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  believingxjw

  Hint,

  Jesus is not a myth. Did he walk on water or heal the sick? Yes, I believe so. Why? Because if you read his teaching, all his teachings, carefully and with an open mind they are more truthful, more beautiful and more astounding than any miracle. He freed women by treating them as disciples allowing them to question him and speak with openly with him and to leave the traditional role of women in their day. He spoke out against religious hypocrisy. He taught the strength of loving our fellow and of loving God as our Father. He broke boundaries between people and he united them as a family. He left the unimportant unimportant. He taught us to remove the rafter from our own eye first before trying to correct another. He was loved because he loved. And he loved because his Father loved. He always gave the honor and credit to his Father not himself. He spoke truth.

  What person who loves truth cannot love Jesus as well? What stands between people who love truth and Jesus is not Jesus really but the religious system that arose after his death. The return to religious hypocrisy. The return to the repression of women. The return to rule making triumphing over love of brother and our neighbor. The return to a self-promoting way of worship, one that lords itself over others. As well as the twisting of what Jesus taught into something that serves the purposes of the religionists alone. The Christian religion went full circle back to the things Jesus taught against. Enter the inner circle of leadership in most Christian religions and it would likely not be a model of Jesus teachings but, like the Witnesses, men using Jesus' words as stepping stones upon which their religious edifices, which do not resemble Jesus' teachings, are built.

  I don't have to believe in Jesus' miracles to love him and his teachings. I don't even have to believe that he was the Son of God to love him and his teachings. Thomas Jefferson loved Jesus and his teachings but as a son of the enlightenment he did not believe Jesus to be the Son of God nor did he believe in the miracles. He along with the other founding fathers held the truths of Jesus' teachings in their hearts.

  Jesus was not a myth but even if one should believe him to be a myth then what a grand myth he was! Ironically, for many, his failing may be in seeming to be too good to be true.

  But Jesus is not a myth.

  Peace to you, HintOfLime
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  designs

  believingjw-

  Add some studies into Judaisms Agada and Halachah, see how it enhances your view of Jesus of Nazareth and what was the provincial and cultural characteristics of the time.
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  bohm

  designs - thanks! This sound really interesting.