Im afraid Jesus is a myth taken from the Egyptian savior Horus

by foolsparadise 55 Replies latest jw friends

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  ProdigalSon

  I've brought this up before, but it's worth repeating here...

  "Paul" stated at Colossians 1:23, ".... continue in the faith, established on the foundation and steadfast and not being shifted away from the hope of that good news which YOU heard, and which was preached in all creation that is under heaven. Of this [good news] I Paul became a minister."

  So, how is it that Paul BECAME a minister of this "good news" that had already been "preached in all creation that is under heaven"? WHEN was the new and unique gospel of Jesus Christ preached to anyone outside of Israel before Paul brought it to the West?

  And then, there is this very telling statement.....

  "That which is known as the Christian religion existed among the ancients, and never did not exist; from the beginning of the human race until the time when Christ came in the flesh, at which time the true religion, which already existed began to be called Christianity." ~Saint Augustine of Hippo, Retractions, Book One, Part 12, "One Book on the True Religion."

  Platonism, Paganism and Early Christianity

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  LV101

  believingxjw -- Love your post above, Jesus is not a myth.

  NV1
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  LV101

  believingxjw -- Love your post above, Jesus is not a myth.

  NV1
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  ProdigalSon

  For anyone who has looked into metaphysics, the past is an illusion. Only the now exists, and only the now can be utilized to accomplish anything. So when a figure as big as Jesus becomes embedded in human consciousness, then whether he actually existed or not no longer matters. In the minds of Christians, he did, and the world goes accordingly in the now. The good in this is that we have enough information available today, and not just the Bible, to make our own decisions as to what he was really teaching, and what his purpose was.

  If he's your sacrificial lamb, you sit around thinking you're a worthless sinner waiting to be saved from a sadistic bloodthirsty war god.

  If he's your role model, you know your divinity within, put his teachings into practice and you save yourself.

  ~PS
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  Leolaia

  One should distinguish between internet Jesus=Horus claims from the more legitimate question of whether non-Jewish mythological ideas were an influence on early Christianity. The claims that Horus was born in a stable with shepherds, was baptized, had twelve disciples, was crucified and resurrected three days later, etc. are pure nonsense. These are not things believed about Horus in any legitimate ancient source. The overwhelming source of influence on gospel narratives rather is the OT — midrashic interpretation of the OT in particular. The Matthean birth narrative of Jesus is thus an elaborate reworking of themes pertaining to the birth and life of Moses (which explains why certain story elements in Matthew are not found in the Lukan birth narrative). But non-Jewish ideas played an important role in the development of Jewish apocalyptic and there was already a rich background in the cultures surrounding Judea pertaining to the births of heroes and gods. The 13Kingdoms portion of the Revelation of Adam shows that such ideas may be drawn upon, and there is a definite link between the Horus-Isis birth myth, the Apollo-Leto myth (which is itself influenced by the Horus myth), the messianic birth scenario in Revelation 12, and some of the material found in 13Kingdoms. Although most of the story elements from Matthew can be attributed to OT exegesis, there is still a tenuous connection in plot between the Matthean birth narrative and the scenario in Revelation 12, which certainly raises the possibility of a link to the Horus myth in the case of the former (the Egyptian setting in the Matthean story also accords well with this possibility of influence).

  The first approach constructs a modern "story" of Horus that never existed in antiquity, attributing story elements to it that in the case of gospel narratives can be traced to OT exegesis (i.e. native Jewish tradition). The second looks for parallels between actual ancient ideas about Horus and the narratives surrounding Jesus, without assimilating all the various ideas of Jesus (or Horus) into a single "story". The stories of Jesus in the NT draw largely on native Jewish traditions, but there are themes and specific ideas that may indeed draw on the larger cultural milieu.
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  Twitch

  Re: Im afraid Jesus is a myth taken from the Egyptian savior Horus

  why be afraid, especially of a myth?