Why It Matters... (page 14)

cognizant dissident

Outlaw: I understand and respect and admire your desire to protect your friend.

I'm interested in the greater issue of protecting all poster's rights to post dissenting viewpoints. While this subject has gone on for a painfully long time, and I lost patience with the original subject days ago, another issue has been raised.

As long as one poster is allowed to repeatedly post very long monologues that contain very strange ideas, then other posters should be allowed to repeatedly post rebuttals which refute those ideas. Mocking the idea is not the same as mocking the poster. There is value in mocking bad ideas. That is how intellectual progress is made. Many on JWD have trouble making that distinction. Ironically, they have no trouble understanding it when it come to mocking the WTBTS, but cannot apply it to other bad ideas they may possess.

If NVL must stop his parody of Shelby's preaching, then, in fairness, Shelby must stop her "preaching". If Shelby is too emotionally fragile to have her ideas challenged, then she should not be posting them here. If she is not, then she should receive no special quarter. I have lost count of how many times Shelby has accused NVL of being a drunk. This is a personal attack. On the other hand, I see NVL attacking Shelby's arguments and parodying them.

Do we have double standards for some posters on JWD or not?

THE GLADIATOR

This thread is called 'Why It Matters...'

It's excuse for being, is to promote the importance of the singular divine name and caution other Christians on their use of the name Jesus. Indeed, the reason for their not hearing the lord's voice is that they are calling out to the wrong name.

Instead of promoting JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH the thread is a self promotion for Shelby/AGuest/Slave of the Lord and house of Israel.

Once again it's all about Shelby. Fair and even handed as I strive to be - I remain confused...

notverylikely

Are you speaking to me, Shelby? You should know our Lord's name.

AGuest

and minimize their belief in Christ

While I know YOU believe in Christ, spirit... just as he directed me and I openly shared here... the man whose vessel you occupy claims no such belief...

I have recently had a conversion, dear one.

Truly? And so who is your god, now? What is his name? Who is the "lord" you follow... and apparently grants you to speak?

Our Lord uses us to deliver timely messages,

Who is your "lord"... and why do you not answer? And... can we at least now announce the truth, that you are NOT an atheist... although we still don't know which god you serve? We just know that you now believe in SOME god? I mean, yes, that would make you the liar... one way or the other... as I was directed to say you are... but I think it's best to let the folks know what they're dealing with, here: believer... or atheist.

In the meantime: to the spirit that is "in" the man who calls himself "NVL" in this place... in the name of my Lord and Master, the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH... I again ask you... what is your name? State the name you are called by.

A slave of Christ,

SA

SixofNine

Oh, and Lady Lee, if I may direct your attention to the post above by AGuest:

quote:

State your name, spirit. By what are you called?

Slave of the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH,

SA

That's what you're dealing with. Come on. Talk it over with Simon, and do the right thing.

AGuest

As long as one poster is allowed to repeatedly post very long monologues that contain very strange ideas,

then other posters should be allowed to repeatedly post rebuttals which refute those ideas.

That works both ways, dear CD (peace to you!)... and is actually what started this whole issue: perhaps you missed it, but I posted on a thread addressed to atheists. It was all out war after that... as it sometimes goes when dealing with "boyz."

Mocking the idea is not the same as mocking the poster.

Alternatively, mocking the poster... and/or his/her God... and/or Lord... is not the same as mocking the idea.

Let's keep it real, dear one...

A slave of Christ,

SA

notverylikely

Truly? And so who is your god, now? What is his name? Who is the "lord" you follow... and apparently grants you to speak?

As I have mentioned before, Shelby, I do not have to justify or explain my faith in our Lord to you. It is not for you to put your brothers and sisters to the question.

Who is your "lord"... and why do you not answer?

See above, dear one, and peace to you.

And... can we at least now announce the truth, that you are NOT an atheist... although we still don't know which god you serve?

If I am announing faith in our Lord then clearly I am not. As to who I serve, why is OUR Lord, the Son of Man, the Word, the Son of the Father, the Christ, the Messiah.

I mean, yes, that would make you the liar... one way or the other... as I was directed to say you are... but I think it's best to let the folks know what they're dealing with, here: believer... or atheist.

Shelby, as you may have noticed, Lady Lee has requested we stop the name calling. I think that calling someone a liar in the name of our Lord would qualify. I mean, I could just as easily repeat the warnings He asked me to deliver to you and which you have ignored in your hard hearted ignorance and obstinance, but I will not do so.

In the meantime: to the spirit that is "in" the man who calls himself "NVL" in this place... in the name of my Lord and Master, the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH... I again ask you... what is your name? State the name you are called by.

Our Lord has directed me to inform you that your gifts do not include speaking to other spirits or putting them to the question, since it is obvious to HIM that you belive me to be occupied by an unclean spirit. Our Lord also directs me to inform you that you cannot put HIM to the question are you are now doing.

cognizant dissident

I'm sorry, dear CD (again, peace to you!), but you appear to assume that I am the one who took issue with what others wish to post... even to me. If so, where in the WORLD did you get that idea? Oh, yes, that's right... from not reading, again.

Shelby, I very clearly addressed my posts to Lady Lee, SixofNine and Outlaw. I don't know where in the WORLD you got the idea I was assuming you were the one who took issues with what others wish to post to you...perhaps from not reading again? Or, pehaps your Lord is misdirecting you once again?

AGuest

This thread is called 'Why It Matters...'

Indeed, dear Glad. It was an attempt to move away, somewhat, from the preceding thread on the matter... which had gotten convaluted somewhat..

It's excuse for being, is to promote the importance of the singular divine name

Uhhhh... no, dear one. It had NOTHING to do with such a thing. Not at all! Please, go back and re-read the original post! Please!

and caution other Christians on their use of the name Jesus.

There was no caution. Like the preceding post, it was merely an attempt to respond to those who claim that although they call out, cry out... "no one" answers them. I simply shared what works for me... why... and how. What should I have done? Let them just sit in their despair? Truly? I could have kept the "pearl" to myself, as one suggested. I didn't - I shared it. And... I am not complaining about the result. Others, however, are... and that they are being disregarded and disrespected simply because some have it in for ME... is, well, fascinating. Not surprising, because if they have not regard or respect even for God and Christ, I shouldn't wonder that they would have for their fellowmen. But it is, still, fascinating.

Indeed, the reason for their not hearing the lord's voice is that they are calling out to the wrong name.

That is only one of several reasons, dear one. But let me give you the benefit of the doubt: what do YOU suggest is the reason? And please, don't say that there is no Lord. Because (1) that's untrue, (2) what are folks getting all up in the air about, then? and (3) that suggestion will do way more harm to folks consciences than I could EVER dream of doing.

Instead of promoting JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH the thread is a self promotion for Shelby/AGuest/Slave of the Lord and house of Israel.

The Household of God, Israel, perhaps. I have no problem "promoting" those who belong to me Lord. As for the "self" part, truly, it isn't. I didn't even think of me when I posted (that's not entirely true: I DID think, "Oh, my Lord, "they're" really gonna come after me for this, aren't they?" but I didn't linger on that too long because he said, "Yes, child, they will... with great force. But do not be concerned because I am with you... and will guide you", so...)

Once again it's all about Shelby.

Actually, it really was about my Lord, dear Glad... and his true name. Seriously. YOU are ALSO always welcome, however, to pick up YOUR torture tree... carry this load... and follow him, too. I mean, if you don't love your own flesh more...

Fair and even handed as I strive to be - I remain confused...

I am truly sorry, dear Glad. I do not wish to confuse you or anyone. But I think what you and a few others are confused ABOUT... is what is occurring with YOU. You want to utterly dismiss what I share. You want to completely and unequivocally reject what I state. But you cannot. And you want to blame me for that rather than asking yourselves WHY does what she share "speak" to me?? Why can't I just walk away... not open her threads... NOT read her posts? I don't believe her, at all... and yet... here I am. Again.

The answers to your confusion lie within you, dear Glad. Not outside... or with me.

Again, I bid you peace!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

cognizant dissident

Alternatively, mocking the poster... and/or his/her God... and/or Lord... is not the same as mocking the idea.

Let's keep it real, dear one...

LOL! But Shelby, my dear, "God" is only an idea, and a bad one at that.

As you brought up the war on the atheist thread, I will note that no one suggested you should not be able to post your dissenting view there, did they?

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