H. Hunger Reviews R. Furuli's "Assyrian, Babylonian, and Egyptian Chronology, Volume II"

by AnnOMaly 248 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Mary
    Mary
    scholar moaned: Well Furuli made a 'hands on ' examination accompanied by a detailed translation of the tablet and detailed photography which was enough to convince him of this hypothesis.

    Oh please. An ant crawling across the tablet would have been "enough to convince him of this hypothesis" because Furuli has an agenda and most certainly has not approached the subject from an unbiased point of view. He's out to try and 'prove' that the first temple fell in 607 BCE, end of story.

    Furuli, the 'celebrated WT scholars and the said 'scholar' do not need this tablet for the support or non-support of our chronology.

    LMAO! Of course he does you moron and you know it. Furuli is well aware of the fact that there is absolutely no historical, archaeological or biblical evidence that Jerusalem was first destroyed in 607 BCE and he knows full well that without that pivitol date, the date of 1914---which is the center of the universe in Dub-dumb Land----disappears as having any biblical significance. Worse, it demolishes the Governing Body's crazy theory that they were chosen as the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" in 1918 and that is something they will never concede to.

    Our wondrous Bible chronology can stand on its own and does not need the whimsical interpretations of modern scholarship.

    Ah, finally grasping at a bit or truth here. You're absolutely right on that point pseudo-scholar. As you are well aware, it has been demonstrated on this board time and time again that by using bible chronology by itself, it's easy to prove that the first temple fell in 586/587 BCE and not 607 BCE:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/55372/1/586-587-the-K-I-S-S-approach-no-VAT4956-Ptolemy-Josephus-needed

    You say that there is no evidence of tampering: well you are not a scholar and your opinion counts for nothing.

    And your opinion counts for---what? Anything? I never said I was a scholar but I can certainly read, write, reason and think and base my opinion on that. In case you haven't noticed dimwit---this is a discussion board where we all give our 'opinions'. Is that really so difficult for you to comprehend?

    All that you are doing is simply blindly following your masters, Jonsson, Hunger and others.

    Yes, I have statues of these guy set up as a shrine in my livingroom. Every morning I sacrifice lambs or goats to them before I prostrate myself before them hoping they approve of my 'blind' worship of them.

    Hunger, Jonsson and Gallagher have everything to lose if Furuli is correct and only time and further research will prove the matter one way or the other.

    You already said that and I already replied. Are you getting dementia? What are you going to do when they prove Furuli wrong? Lemme guess: You'll ignore the proof and continue to rant about 'celebrated WT scholars' and how much smarter they are than the rest of the world.

    The evidence for 607 BCE is sufficiently based on the Bible so we have nothing at all to worry about.

    Sure it is scholar. That's why you've been posting your crap for the last decade because you've "got nothing to worry about". The real question is: do you count all of us as bible studies or just Return Visits on your Field Serve-Us Report?

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    PseudoScholar,

    Remember when asked to provide a list of 'celebrated WT scholars', you first were unable to do so. When pressed, you did...and they were all Russelites!

    There are no celebrated WT scholars.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    But still he celebrates them. And when I pressed him on whether such celebrating amounts to creature worship, he admitted that it did.

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    Leolaia,

    If I recall correctly, one of the reasons why the WT was allowed to be taken into Babylonish captivity in 1919 was creature worship, as per the WT. LOL

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    Yeah, I've been wondering, if Furuli has been the only one to provide a "scientific analysis" of the tablet on account of his hand inspection, and since he is advancing a claim of forgery, then surely Furuli would have inspected the tablet with an expert in ceramic petrography (someone like Yuval Goren who detected the lack of genuine patina inside the inscription in the James Ossuary) who would have been qualified to detect actual tampering. Or might Furuli possess this qualification too? ;)

    He didn't need to Leo, he had already made up his mind to find what he needed to find, even if it wasn't there.

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    scholar: "You forgot to include Hunger and Jonsson or are they immortal?"
    post 1918

    Silly little man, I wasn't creating a list of mortals or I would have included you. I was only including in my list some false prophets who declared that the end of the world would come in their day and are now dead.

    Hunger isn't a false prophet. He isn't tampering with historical evidence to somehow twist the Bible to declare the end of the world "soon". And evidently he is still alive.

    But you really aren't bright enough to figure that out, are you? Your chest-thumping about how intelligent you are is such a farce.

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    pseudoscholar said:

    Furuli, the 'celebrated WT scholars and the said 'scholar' do not need this tablet for the support or non-support of our chronology.

    My reply:

    Furuli (a JW who is admittedly not a scholar in NeoBabylonian chronology) , the 'celebrated WT scholars (Russelites) and the said 'scholar' (you) do not need this tablet for the support or non-support of our chronology.

    Wow, Furuli, Russelites and you- now that is some heavy-weight expertise there. My question to you, why you refer to 'scholar' in the 3rd person. Is the person posting on here not 'scholar'?

  • scholar
    scholar

    AnnOMaly

    Post 1509

    The matter of such published works beings subject to Peer Review and supported by Referrees goes a long way to preserve the integrity of scholarship as well thge necessity of appropriate Bibliography and referencing standards. Nevertheless. misinformation and misrepresentation continue to be an issue for scholars but I would add a further enemy and that is bias which is clearly manifest in the treatment of Furuli by Hunger. the clarification that I received came from Jonsson and not yourself, all that you said I knew instinctively when commparing Jonsson with Hunger.

    5.6.7 Well you are no expert either and i wonder if you have truly read Furuli and understood it! You make pretensions about expertise in all of those fields but state my lack of expertise in those areas such as anceinet astronomy, cunieform texts etc.

    With all of these people using any number and type of astro programs then confusion and different interpretations abound and you expect me to sort it out. Give me a break. When the experts get it sorted then I may take a look at it. Why did not Hunger use his astro-program rather than relying on others?

    I do not want a gold star but a pat on the head would do nicely. Furuli states on p.244 that since 1915 no critical study of VAT 4956 had been published. Such a critical study has been undertaken in connection with this book. In the footnote 270 Furuli cooments that Hunger's work in 1988 was not a critical scientific study. Hence scholar staes that Furuli's was the first scientific study of the tablet. I need that gold star now!

    You only need to compare the content of Furuli's research on the VAT 4956 with Hunger's meagre attention to the detail that Hunger wasnot able to come to grips with that material and this is the same with Jonsson. Furuli's hypothesis of tampering has still not been addressed by Hunger or Jonsson it seems that they are only concerned with the identity of the forger, the name and brand of the tool used. Perhaps it was a Makita grinder!

    9. I repeat Furuli has nothing to lose because I cannot see in any way that his hypothesis can be disproved because after all the Bible proves that there is a twenty year gap. So, Furuli is on firm ground. The only thing that will change is some fine tuning to technical details if required.

    I will check your comments on Stephensen and Willis as to whether it is a scientific study but without detailed photos it may not be in the same leaguq as Furuli.

    scholar JW

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Once again Scholar is Splat on the Mat..

    Just laying there..

    With his "607 BCE" hanging out the leg of his shorts..

    http://8vsb.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/muhammad-ali-knock-out.jpg

    .......................... ...OUTLAW

  • scholar
    scholar

    Mary

    Post 12402

    Yes, Furuli has an agenda and so does Hunger, Jonsson and others of their ilk including yourself.

    It does not matter if there is no secular evidence that directly supports 607 BCE because it is well established biblically. However, there is sufficient secular evidence that supports 607 BCE in that all of NB chronology is a scheme that merely falls short a mere twenty years. How about that! Don't you luv it?

    How can your Bible Chronology prove that the Fall did not occur in the precise calender year of 607 BCE when it cannot prove whether the Fall occurred in 586 or 587 BCE? Your assertion is meaningless. Unless your Bible chronology can prove what precise calender year Jerusalem fell then you cannot disprove the precise calender year as 607 BCE for the Fall. You are grasping at straws.

    When it comes to the tampering matter I cannot comment either way and neither can you, Jonsson or Hunger for it is best left to a panel of scholars trained in such matters.

    Wiuth regard to the celebrated WT scholars perhaps you should read Daniel 12:3,4.

    What I report on my Field Service Report is my business and not yours for at least I engage in the ministry. Do you? How are you fulfilling Matt 28:19,20?

    scholar JW

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