H. Hunger Reviews R. Furuli's "Assyrian, Babylonian, and Egyptian Chronology, Volume II"

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  isaac austin

  Post 6342

  What errant nonsense. Attempts made on this forum to discredit WT Bible Chronology have been legion but everyonse single point made and used has been defeated or addressed by scholar over these past many years. The foresaid 'scholar' has met every challenge and disproved the 586/587 nonsense. Scholar has advance new areas of exegesis in regard to the Gentile Times, the seventy year texts etc. It was scholar that came up first with the 70 year formula that 70 years=DESOLATION+SERVITUDE+EXILE which demolished Jonsson's approach of Babylonian sovereignty. Scholar has drawn up lists of facts concerning the superiority of 607 BCE ove rthe other false dates.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  Post 6343

  You forgot to include Hunger and Jonsson or are they immortal?

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  Mary

  pseudo-scholar said: Furuli has certainly put the 'cat amongst the pidgeons' with his VAT tampering hypothesis. However, his presentation of the matter is quite compelling as he is the only person who has made a proper 'scientific' study of the tablet. The tablet raises many questions that demand suitable answers and Furuli has risen to take up the challenge.

  The tablet raises no questions of 'tampering', except in the vacuous netherworld of a JW trying desperately to find something---anything to support their braindead idea that Jerusalem first fell in 607 BCE. It is a hypothesis (and an absurd one at that) that has absolutely no basis in anything.

  Hunger it seems is critical not so much of Furuli's research but his hypothesis that the tablet was subject to modern tampering

  That is because there is absolutely no evidence that it was tampered with. And this hypothesis was indeed part of Furuli's research which is what Hunger criticized. Which part of that don't you get?

  Furuli has nothing to lose in this debate but the likes of Hunger, Jonsson and Gallagher have much to loose if Furuli is only approximately correct.

  Spoken like the true braindead moron that you are. Hunger, Jonsson and Gallegher have absolutely nothing to lose by their critique of Furuli's work. They do not live their lives based on some obscure date thousands of years old basing all their life decisions on it. It is Furuli that has everything to lose--not these guys. Furuli, who is a Witness is attempting to move heaven and earth to try and make history and archaeology fit with the WTS's preconceived doctrine that Jerusalem fell in 607 BCE and we all know why this date is so damn important to Witlesses. Without it, the whole stinking religion collapses.

  Poor, poor pseudo-scholar. You've been bleating on here for years trying to promote the Society's bullshit theory that Jesus returned invisibly in 1914 and apparently you'll go to your grave drooling over men like Furuli who are also desperately trying to prop up a baseless doctrine. Ah well, that's your perogative. At least you can count the time you spend on here on your Field Serve-Us Report!
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  just n from bethel

  Scholar:

  First off I want to thank you for coming here and associating with disfellowshipped ones. Also it is really good to see ones like yourself entering into debates with apostates (in your case the same debate that continues on year after year). I realize former JWs tend to get exasperated with you. Recently though it was implied that it is shameful when ones like myself come down too hard on ones like you. I gave that some thought, and realize it might be valid.

  So, I just want to say, I would rather spend a day having Mike Tyson punch me in the face than one minute trying to convince a JW what archeologists and historians (not to mention non-JW theologians) have already confirmed beyond refute. Having said that though, I am glad that you continue to show up. It's good for several reasons.

  First it's good for you as it shows you don't think it's necessary to believe everything that the Watchtower teaches. When they insist that you do not get caught up in debates, and not associate with disfellowshipped ones, and not go to apostate internet sites... well, your being here and engaging in dialogue is 100% clear evidence that you don't believe ALL the watchtower teaches is valid. Which is great, because as much as you believe the watchtower has 'celebrated scholars' who have established 607 bce as correct, those same "scholars" believe it is much worse to associate with disfellowshipped ones by coming here. Thus by your engaging in the latter, you show the world that you do not believe everything these WT "scholars" tell you. You show the world that you don't have to listen to everything these WT "scholars" print and try to enforce within the local congregations. It's possible after reading this that you'll want to rationalize your actions - maybe try to minimize these two issues as not the same. But the fact is, the WT today is much more concerned with teaching its adherents to not associate with apostates, disfellowshipped ones, nor get into debates and put up information on websites...than it is with discussing 607bce.

  So again, thank you for coming here and showing God, the world, and all of us that you indisputably do not agree with everything your so-called WT scholars teach. While you may continue to believe in some of the things JWs believe with regard to history, it truly is good to see that you do not give a shit about what they say when it comes to the present and how you live your life. For that we thank you, and hope you continue to show up here, fully confirming that even someone as scholarly as you, has no problem giving the WT the finger on at least some of their teachings. Rationalize it away if you must, but please don't stop coming here and debating. Because that action says way more than your actual words in threads about 607 and dates.

  There are a couple other reasons it is good that you're here .. but this post is getting way too long. Maybe I'll get those in later.
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  Mary

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  Well Furuli made a 'hands on ' examination accompanied by a detailed translation of the tablet and detailed photography which was enough to convince him of this hypothesis. There may well have been other factors aside from the above that led him to come to that conclusion. In any event Furuli has submitted the evidence so it is for fothers to make their assessment on the worth of the tablet. Furuli, the 'celebrated WT scholars and the said 'scholar' do not need this tablet for the support or non-support of our chronology. Our wondrous Bible chronology can stand on its own and does not need the whimsical interpretations of modern scholarship.

  You say that there is no evidence of tampering: well you are not a scholar and your opinion counts for nothing. All that you are doing is simply blindly following your masters, Jonsson, Hunger and others.

  Hunger, Jonsson and Gallagher have everything to lose if Furuli is correct and only time and further research will prove the matter one way or the other. Furuli has nothing to lose because as with the rest of the JW community our faith is not dependent on the theories of men but rather on the testimony of God's Word, the Holy Bible. The evidence for 607 BCE is sufficiently based on the Bible so we have nothing at all to worry about.

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  just n from bethel

  Another reason it's great you're here:

  When we read your posts with your third person references to yourself -

  everyonse single point made and used has been defeated or addressed by scholar

  foresaid 'scholar' has met every challenge

  Scholar has advance new areas of exegesis

  It was scholar that came up first with the 70 year formula

  Scholar has drawn up lists of facts

  , we get to re-live one of the best Seinfeld episodes ever:

  Video
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  just n from Bethel

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  Your post does indeed raise some interesting issues but the bottom line is is that we are all individuals and as scholar is a dedicated Christian enjoying the responsibilies of Christian Freedom one must decide for oneself one's conduct. One such imperative or Christian responsibility is that of defending one's faith and this is the sole reason why scholar posts on this forum. Scholar is not interested in rationalizing about such matters for he simply does what needs to be done in order to protect other innocent ones by the deceit and treachery of apostates. Perhaps the time will come when scholar will cease from posting on this forum probably out of sheer boredom or lack of time or interest. Historically, the role of Apologists has always been controversial so the 'difficulty' that you wish to make for scholar is not unexpected but please be assured that loyalty, obedience and integrity are very important to scholar but sometimes one of the major challenges that all Christians have to face is that dilemna of Doing the Right Thing, At the Right Time and in the Right Manner.

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  just n from Bethel

  Post 135

  scholar is pleased that he entertains you. What would life be without humour and entertainment.

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  just n from bethel

  Scholar:

  And that is the dilemma: "doing the right thing". Thank you for acknowledging that dilemma as most here have had to face it at one time.

  It's good that you see coming here as "doing the right thing", even though such actions clearly put you at odds with teachings and beliefs of the current WT "scholars". Because if there is one teaching that is emphasized as more important than 607 BCE - it is their directive of not associating with DFd JWs and debating and posting (even apolgetic info) online. It's good for all of us to see that Witnesses such as yourself do not feel obligated to grant the 'celebrated WT scholars' the full authority they demand. It shows that more and more Witnesses feel their teachings are not all valid. You claim that you found a Biblical obligation to come here, one that supercedes the authority of your favorite "WT Scholars". That's Great! You're one of many that have found Biblical proof that teachings from the WT are not Biblical.

  What is ironic is that the "celebrated WT scholars'" teaching with regard to their supposed "god-given/appointed authority" - the authority that you and all of us have no problem ignoring as we see it as the right thing to do - is tied to this whole 607 issue. So even as you go back and forth rehashing the same tried and failed points to back up your 607 date, you ignore the primary reason for which that date is oh so important: that of establishing the "WT scholars'" authority in 1919. This is the same authority they claim to have and use to teach you to obey theocratic direction, like not associating with disfellowshiped ones, apostates, posting info on websites, etc.. So even though you have this love affair with 607 date, you still realize it's ok to not respect what it really stands for as a JW. And for that we really do thank you. Please continue to post. The effect of your continued disobedience and disbelief in the WTs scriptural authority over your life will continue to help countless lurking Witnesses, as well as yourself.

  Thank you. Thank you. Because of you and several others with a similar disposition, many will see that even apparent apologetic Witnesses, continue to demonstrate by their actions that the WT exercises authority that goes way beyond what is written in the Bible.
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  thetrueone

  but the bottom line is is that we are all individuals and as scholar is a dedicated Christian enjoying the responsibilities of Christian Freedom one must

  decide for oneself one's conduct.

  Yes and being a true obedient worshiper of god and his son, there is an earnest inherent responcilbilty to beware of people who would manipulate and

  exploit the word for commercial reasons particularly those who publish books and claim that they are presenting spiritual light from god himself.

  Remember the 11th commandant, was to not exploit and commercialized the word of god.