isaac austin
Post 6335
Neither is Carl Jonsson and Herman Hunger
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H. Hunger Reviews R. Furuli's "Assyrian, Babylonian, and Egyptian Chronology, Volume II"
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isaacaustin
COJ is not...I do not know anything about Hunger.
There is zero scholarly support for the WT teachings on Neo-Babylonian chronology.
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isaacaustin
Herman Hunger, as per wikipedia:
Hermann Hunger (born 1942), an Austrian Assyriologist, Professor of Assyriology at the University of Vienna, until his retirement (2007). [ 1 ] An authority on Babylonian astronomy and celestial omens.
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isaac austin
Posts 6336-6337
Furuli is a scholar, he is an expert in Semitic languages. Hunger is a scholar also, an expert in Assyriology.
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isaacaustin
Correctly stated "Scholar".
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diamondiiz
How can someone go this far in trying to discredit everything from every angle possible and still believe he's right? Is the guy delusional or is he somehow sponsored by wts? I don't get it. It must be a global conspiracy to hide the real truth about 607BC and only wts and few sects can really understand the truth about 607 and the rest of the world is hiding truth and using every lie possible to discredit 607BC. hmm does that sound logical? It's insane to try to discredit the entire historical, archeological community because of one's imaginary belief system based on 607BC. And then there is the thirdwitness idiot.
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
Scholar,
A picture is worth a thousand words. This is the only proof that you and Furuli need to prove 607...
C.T. Russell was the leading pyramidology scholarly genius of all time. He was also the world's leading authority on Miracle Wheat.
Sadly, H. Hunger doesn't appreciate the importance of supporting the flawed and outdated beliefs on a 19th century Adventist sect that has somehow managed to survive into the 21st century.
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AnnOMaly
Post 1506
My tentative review of Hunger is constrained by the following; followed by my personal observations:
1. Hunger based his review on Furuli's 2nd edition 2008 whereas my copy of Furuli is his 1st edition 2007 which causes a little difficulty in using Hunger's page numbering of Furuli.
2. Furuli's work is of a technical nature thus Hunger's review should be the same but for the layman this poses a problem if one has no indepth knowledge of these areas such as linguistics, Semitic languages, philology and ancient astronomy. I can only comment on what I perceive and understand and by comparison of both scholarly responses. Where reference is made to the Bible then I can most certainly comment on the strengths and weaknesses of the argument.
3. Any reviewer of these works, Hunger and Furuli would need to consult the Bibliographies for both in order to examine for error, interpretation and context.
4. Hunger's use of Carl Jonsson's earlier Reviews (5 Parts) is for me somewhat problematic. What influence did Jonsson have on Hunger? Is Hunger's review of Furuli truly independent and scholarly? Is there evidence of collusion on the part of Hunger, Jonsson and Gallagher? Why did Hunger post his review of Furuli on the same website hosted by Jonsson which contains numerous articles against Furuli and Watchtower chronology? Why did not Hunger publish his review of Furuli in a academic journal? How and Why are the reviews of Furuli by Hunger and Jonsson similar in format and substance? Who is the Editor who wrote the Editorial comment prefacing Hunger's review of Furuli and Why is he/she not identified?
5. Such questions go to the heart of the integrity of Hunger's Review on Furuli for it gives the appearance of 'nit-picking' rather than examining the Furuli's thesis-approach-methodology. None of these three areas are touched upon by Hunger.
6. Furuli's thesis was to compare the Ancient Chronologies- Babylonian, Egyptian, Persian with the Bible a comparison in which Hunger ignores entirely.
7. Hunger's overall Review albeit technical in nature, is superficial in substance, relying or drawing heavily on Jonsson's previous Reviews. He demonstrates his preference of Higher Criticism by elevating Assyrian Chronology above that of the Biblical Record.
8. Any further assessment of Hunger's review of Furuli can only be done by a careful consideration of Jonsson's Reviews and now vice versa.
9. There can be no doubt whatsoever that Furuli can benefit from the Reviews of Hunger and Jonsson. Furuli has indeed welcomed such criticisms and suggestions which can only strenghten his overall thesis in my view. This is because Furuli's thesis is based on the biblical seventy years which proves a 20 year Gap between Bible Chronology and Neo-Babylonian Chronology.
Much of Furuli's research involves interpretation of the secular evidence and other scholars do and would have differing opinions but Furuli has the advantage in that he has nothing to lose but everything to gain for afterall his thesis is grounded on the Biblical record. Hunger and Jonsson have everything to loose even if Furuli has only mounted a plausible argument in support of his thesis and at least in this respect Furuli has succeeded.
10. On the whole Furuli presented to the scholarly community a formidable thesis and argument which takes much courage and boldness, his methodology is very technical and detailed and Hunger and Jonsson have much more work to do if they wish to diminish Furuli's argument. I have forwarded such links to Furuli so that he can respond to Hunger and Jonsson as he sees fit.
In conclusion, this is only a tentative analysis of this most interesting and complex debate and I will have more to say when I get to some details on VAT 4956 for which I have some personal attachment going back at least 40 years.
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diamondiiz
Post 566
Not at all. What you say is preposterous. The world which lies in the power of the wicked one is most certainly trying to hide the truth about 607 BCE, the ending of the Gentile Times and the events and significance of 1914 established evidentially by 607 BCE. One does not need to be delusional because the said 'scholar' is very much abreast of all the facts regarding the establishing in a most secure manner this most sacred date. So there!
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
Post 3169
I think you are lost in that big Pyramid. You need to escape out of and see the Light. Why not exit from the Grand Gallery?
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