Generation Teaching - Everyone is speechless?
by Red Piller 443 Replies latest jw friends
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caliber
They didn't say 'maybe the end will come before the gen of 1914 passes away.'
They didn't say 'Probably the end will come before the gen of 1914 passes away.'
Instead, the 'faithful and discreet slave' said that it was THE CREATOR'S PROMISE that the end would come before the gen of 1914 passes away.
And YES, that means that the 'faithful and discreet slave' went directly against Matthew 24:36.
Don't you see everyone ? ... by changing the generation meaning DJ is saying the F&DS has successful wiggled out of this nasty
damning fact above. The 1914 generation still lives !.........(if you overlap the whole bunch from the past with those alive today !)(small print explanation)
DJ appears to be saying listen obediently but think for yourself.... when honest humble people take the Wt at it's literal word they could be stumbled ! It's just too bad for you if you can't follow subtle crafty words that can change the entire meaning with the stroke of a pen !
Don't you know that you must read between the lines..think for yourself but at the same time "just go along with things" ? Like
WT view of college education .. those summer assemblies discouraging education are just sort of reminds not to be taken too seriously !!
Why get so uptight by repeated firm counsel they are actually leaving all your decisions up to you.. you just aren't caughting on ...,these are mere suggestion !!
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wasblind
My apology to Fadeout,
I miss read his post, because he did not have qoutation marks around DJeggnoggs comments
But I still got my point across to those people who are already awake
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wasblind
DJeggnogg said: " I don't know what you know about the game invented in 1892 by a Canadian doctor, James Naismith, called basketball..............One could ask why did it take almost 60 years for the NBA to figure out that basketball needed the 24-second shot clock, and why not a 35-, 40- or 50-second shot clock? "
DJ, thank you for the lesson in basketball, it's true we learn something everyday and you have taught me well concerning the invention of basketball. But James Naismith did not claim to be directed by holy spirit. He did not claim this game came from God.
All through out the Bible, God used imperfect men to produce what we know as the Bible today, yes they were directed by holy spirit, because truth never changes or needs adjusting.
DJeggnogg says: "Holy Spirit's Role in the Outworking of Jehovah's Purpose" [w10 4/15] merely builds on what was stated in the aforementioned article,"
DJ there is nothing to build on, or add too when the previous beliefs are no longer adhered too, they become null and void as if they were never taught.
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wannabefree
DJEggnog,
Just for fun, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind going back in time to 1995.
Now, please, here we are at this website and it is 1995, how would you defend this meaning of generation? Again, it is 1995, the Faithful Slave has shared this flash of brighter light, the sheep have no choice but to accept this new and better understanding ....
"In the final fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy at Matthew 24:34-39, to what does the expression "this generation" refer? Jesus apparently refers to the peoples on earth who see the sign of Christ's presence but fail to mend their ways." Watchtower 1995 December 15 p.30
Thank you.
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lisaBObeesa
Don't you see everyone ? ... by changing the generation meaning DJ is saying the F&DS has successful wiggled out of this nasty
damning fact above.
They think they wiggled out, but they didn't. They can't change the past. Before 1995, they taught that that GOD PROMISED the world would end before humans who were alive in 1914 passed away.
They spoke for God and it was FALSE. Period.
Nothing that they say now can change that fact.
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caliber
"Evidently "it is "clearly apparent "and "unmistakable" the Lisa doesn't buy the WT's retro-active patch job....
I share your frustration !!!..... It's like trying to pin down a soap bubble to the ground
The 1914 generation is most blessed of all for they have already gained what "seems " eternal life even while still on earth !!
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Fadeout
djeggnog: If this is how you understand God's promise to us, knowing (as you should!) that nobody knows "that day and hour" (Matthew 24:36), then who else can you blame if you yourself were putting faith in these words of encouragement, which is what they are? These words weren't a prediction as you are making them out to be as if the faithful and discreet slave could actually countermand Jesus' clear words at Matthew 24:36.
Brother, it sounds like you are among those toying with Jesus' words, as the Watchtower warned us:
This is not the time to be toying with the words of Jesus that “concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matt. 24:36) To the contrary, it is a time when one should be keenly aware that the end of this system of things is rapidly coming to its violent end.
As far as the (now retracted) promise regarding the 1914 generation being "words of encouragement," there are many other ways to encourage people that don't involve lying. Is this an honest form of encouragement and a true promise?
Manager: "Thank you for your continuing hard work; the owner promises you'll receive your $5000 paycheck at the end of the month."
(the end of the month arrives)
"Thank you for your continuing hard work. Though I misunderstood when the owner would be able to pay you, rest assured that you will be paid just as soon as he comes back from his business trip on the 14th."
(the 14th arrives)
"Thank you for your continuing hard work. Although the owner has returned, he has a lot to catch up on and won't be able to pay you immediately. We'll definitely have it ready within a week, though."
(a week passes)
"Thank you for your continuing hard work. Your paycheck isn't quite ready yet, but we do now know that it will be ready at the end of this month. So, look forward to that! What's that? No, I don't recommend taking out a loan to pay some bills. You're about to get paid, it would simply be foolish to take out a loan at this point."
(the month ends)
"Thank you for your continuing hard work. I realize I share some responsibity for you expecting your paycheck today. Unfortunately we don't have it. I have to admit I was a little excited about the prospect of getting it to you and may have made statements that caused you to expect it. Fortunately, we do know that the owner is committed to distributing paychecks by Christmas. So don't worry!"
(christmas passes)
"Thank you for your continuing hard work. When the owner said paychecks would be here by Christmas, what he really meant was the Christmas season. As you can see, Christmas lights are still up all over the neighborhood. But don't slack off now! You'll get your paycheck very soon!"
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TD
The concept of a generation as a single human lifespan is threaded through several other JW teachings including their understanding of the Great Crowd of Revelation 7.
No amount of word play is going to change that.
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caliber
The concept of a generation as a single human lifespan is threaded through several other JW teachings including their understanding of the Great Crowd of Revelation 7.
TD..... could they not say "Millions now living will never die (1920's" ) if you overlap this with their children and their grand children they are this alive today !!! If you heard these talks as say an 18 year old.. how old are you today ??? only the daisy's know for sure !!
(Disclaimer... Rutherford actually meant to say will not perish ) a future resurrection assured