by whereami 56 Replies latest jw friends
Looks like thetrueone answered the question rather conclusively, don't you think?
Nickolas...most definitely. Thank you thetrueone... well researched and documented. As far as JWs go, they are definitely maneuvered through the Bible. I wonder how many of them know of these scriptures.
50 shekels today = $13.62
As a woman, I am comforted by the fact that my human dignity has an overall street value of almost $14.
Already been posted I meant zechariah not zephaniah (always get those mixed up.
Psacramento:
What passage is that?
God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Yep, we can see why, to many, it was necessary for Jesus to come and "clear" some things up in regards to the Law and such.
To be we don't have his word on rape.
So Jesus came to clarify "the Law and such" but the matter of rape didn't quite make the list? Among other crimes, I'd think rape would rank pretty high... right up there with murder and child abuse. But that's just me.
Maybe the omission should be a red flag.
SBC, rape and slavery didn't make the list. JC had other priorities.
What about 1 Chron 7. Thousands killed for harbouring rapists?
One thing interesting about the scripture in zechariah you cant say ' hey its figurative' or not to be taken literally.
We know jeruselem was 1 taken by the 'nations' 2 plundered for its spoils 3 half taken into exile and unfortuantely 4 women ravished or raped. As stated at the outset of the scripture these are things that god or 'the Lord' put into action and cause to happen. He gathered the 'nations' together to do those things.
So Jesus came to clarify "the Law and such" but the matter of rape didn't quite make the list? Among other crimes, I'd think rape would rank pretty high... right up there with murder and child abuse. But that's just me.
Maybe the omission should be a red flag.
Indeed.
We do not have Jesus DIRECT words against rape, or slavery or even murder if I recall, but we do have little things like "love thy enemy" which logically carries undertones of : no trotrure, no raping, no killing, etc. We have his words in regards to "treat others like yourselves", to "love each other as Jesus loved Us ( up to the point of dying for Us), I don't think any of that will lead anyone to advocate or condone rape or slavery, not unl;ess that person wanted those things to happen to themselves.
We have a few direct responses to the sabbath, divorce, adultery ( but even that one is a debated passage in regards to authenticity), taxes and so forth.
Yes, it would be nice to get a concrete, " Slavery is wrong you assholes and what kind of sick bastard rapes women and children??".
But no, we don't have those exact words.
Yes, it would be nice to get a concrete, " Slavery is wrong you assholes and what kind of sick bastard rapes women and children??"
Now see, that's the kinda direct message I'm talkin about!
Overturning the money-changers' tables and roughin' up dove vendors - that was great and all, but why not beat the crap out of a rapist to really show his compassion for the half of the population that was truly oppressed? Or send Legion into a horde of pedophiles instead of pigs so that THEY stampede over a cliff.
I'm just thinkin out loud here but considering he gave specific directions on other matters, why not these?
Rape is condoned in the Bible.
In the case of an unbetrothed virgin, who was seized in a field and raped: her father had to be compensated by the rapist with the monetary value of a bride price, and the rapist got to be married to her and not allowed to divorce her for the rest of her life.
Rape is not condoned in the Bible, and the previously cited passages demonstrate it. In those times, an unmarried woman had few prospects but misery and starvation. It was a male dominated society, not very different from what the middle east looks like today. A violated virgin was "damaged goods" on the marriage market and would never be able to have a husband support her. For the violator to be forced to marry her without possibility of divorce was in order to guarantee her for her economic loss.
You are anachronistically looking at these laws through 21st century eyes. The social idea of marriage was very different back then. Marriage was far more an economic arrangement than it is today. Marriages were arranged, and love or personal desire had little to do with it.
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