do the jw'swant you to not associate non jw's

by not a jw 39 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • nugget
    nugget

    A few of the rules and suggestions that JWs live by that serve to isolate them from non JWs

    Non celebration of brithdays and holidays isolates them from peers and non Jws.

    Advice not to attend college and seek higher education ensures that they do not question doctrine but also ensures that they remain in the control group and don't associate with peers.

    Choice of work meansthat they often gravitate towards menial jobs and they are also told not to be ambitious but to set spiritual goals. They are encouraged to seek part time work so they can pioneer thus spending less time with worldly colleagues and more time with jws.

    Don't participate in school assemblies, religious education, after school clubs, sports, proms etc also isolates them from their peers.

    Don't get overly into music, popular culture, moovies etc. Always check content to ensure it is not questionable, contains no immorality, no cursing nothing anti witnesses.

    Control the amount of time you spend on recreation such as game (see rules above). Only do recreation after you have studied for meetings, been on field service and as long as it will not make you late for the meeting.

    In a true blue witness life you are highly controlled, told what to think. Associating with people who do not share your world view can be uncomfortable because you are constantly on your guard and having to deal with things that make you different. It becomes self fulfilling you find contact with "worldly people" less enjoyable so you do it less. You are told frequently that you have less in common with them and that they count for less in your life. You are warned that bad associations spoil useful habits and all non witnesses are bad associations. You are told that you can only find true friends in gods organisation and that they will replace worldly relatives.

    The religion is all about isolation and control. Be very careful.

  • carla
    carla

    .i ask my wife that and she says that isnt true-- she is lying to you, get used to it, it is called theocratic warfare. Theocratic warfare is used by all jw's, they truly believe that they need give the truth only to people who deserve the truth. Who do you think deserves the truth? (by truth I do not mean what they call their cultic religion but truth as in true or false). Also see their 'Aid to Understanding the Bible' book where they redefine the definition of truth and in many different publications over the years as well.

    You said she finished college while a jw? Sounds like she was a newbie and they often allow newbies to do things if they think it may serve their interests at a later date. How does she manage field service (fs) with her work load and husband?

    By the way, you are a ubm - an unbelieving mate. That has it's own set of problems and deserves its own threads. Look in the search area here to read up on that when you can stomach it.

    Here are some helpful research sites -

    http://www.jwfiles.com/index.htm

    http://www.freeminds.org/

    http://www.jwfacts.com/

  • lifelong humanist
    lifelong humanist

    not a jw

    Welcome to the board.

    I'm confident that what you'll read here and the debates that often ensue will quickly enable you to learn much about the goings on of the JW religion. Perhaps more importantly, methods to try to assist friends and family escape from the cult.

    Good luck!

    lifelong humanist

  • Little Imp
    Little Imp

    My husband was brought up in the faith. Neither him or his brother were allowed to go to grammar school or stay on at school past 16.

    In those days it was easier to find work without qualifications which my husband did. However,at the age of 25 he saw an opening for a trainee broadcast engineer and applied. He was accepted but the job was in London whereas he thought it would have been in Birmingham where he lived. However, because 1975 had been and gone his mother encouraged him to take the job.

    This meant moving over 100 miles from his parents which he said was the best thing that happened to him. The job involved a lot of training and he gained good qualifications so it meant he had a reasonable life. However, he is very bright and could have done so much better but he is luckier than many.

    His brother moved out in his teens took enough exams to get him to university and went. However, the relationship between him and his parents broke down for several years over this.

    Ironically though, their mother in her 50s went away to university and lived on campus!

  • blondie
    blondie

    *** w06 3/15 p. 23 par. 9 “Each One Will Carry His Own Load” ***What about having close association with those who may be morally clean but who lack faith in the true God? The Scriptures tell us: “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19) We come to discern that bad associations are not limited to permissive or morally debased people. Hence, we are wise to cultivate close friendships only with those who love Jehovah.

    *** jd chap. 10 pp. 134-136 Contribute to Family Life That Pleases God ***

    BEWARE OF BAD ASSOCIATIONS!

    20 What can you young ones learn from the 12 prophets? One of the most-quoted scriptures in discussions between you and your parents may be 1 Corinthians 15:33 about avoiding bad associations. ‘But is being friends with those who do not worship Jehovah really that bad?’ some of you might wonder. Well, you can find the answer to that question in these 12 books.

    21 While the books of the 12 prophets were directed mainly toward God’s people, the book of Obadiah addressed the Edomites, who had been referred to as the Israelites’ brothers. (Deuteronomy 2:4) Unlike most of the other books of the 12 prophets, Obadiah uses the pronoun you in reference to the Edomites. Now think about the Edomites. The time is about 607 B.C.E. when Jerusalem is being besieged. Although the Edomites are blood relatives of Jacob, they team up with the Babylonians! “Lay it bare! Lay it bare!” the Edomites jeer. (Psalm 137:7; Obadiah 10, 12) They plan to take over the land of Judah. They even eat food with the Babylonians, which in the Orient can indicate that the two parties are in a covenant relationship.

    22 Notice what Obadiah foretells about the Edomites: “The very men [the Babylonians] in covenant with you have all deceived you. The men at peace with you have prevailed against you. Those eating food with you will place a net under you as one in whom there is no discernment.” (Obadiah 7) What actually happened to the Edomites, who deserted their brother, Jacob, and chose as companions the Babylonians? Eventually, the Babylonians under Nabonidus destroyed the Edomites. By Malachi’s day, God had made the mountains of Edom a desolated waste and Edom’s inheritance for the jackals.—Malachi 1:3.

    23 Now think about your so-called friends who do not worship Jehovah. Have you not observed that ‘the very boys [or girls] in covenant,’ or bonds of friendship, often deceive one another and “place a net under” their so-called friends? If the deception comes to light, what do they say? They might consider the friends they deceived to be naive, not discerning enough to see through another’s wiles. How like the Babylonians with their companions, the Edomites! Do you feel that such “friends” would really care about you when you faced problems? (Obadiah 13-16) On the other hand, think of Jehovah God and his people today. Jehovah is always there to help you. He will sustain you through difficult periods. His people too prove to be ‘true companions loving all the time,’ like faithful ones “born for when there is distress.”—Proverbs 17:17.

    *** w93 4/15 p. 15 par. 8 Youths—What Are You Pursuing? ***Some worldly youths may seem nice simply because they do not smoke, use bad language, or engage in immoral sex. If they are not pursuing righteousness, though, their fleshly thinking and attitudes can easily rub off on you. Besides, how much could you have in common with unbelievers? (2 Corinthians 6:14-16) Why, the spiritual values you hold dear are mere “foolishness” to them! (1 Corinthians 2:14) Could you maintain their friendship without compromising your principles?

    *** km 6/89 pp. 1-2 Enjoying Theocratic Association ***

    WHOLESOME ASSOCIATION

    5 One cannot walk with God while running in association with those of the wicked and sick society that approves of everything that God abhors. The Bible warns: “Bad associations spoil useful habits.” (1 Cor. 15:33) Some in the congregation may be inclined to invite worldly acquaintances and unbelieving relatives who have no interest in the truth to social gatherings, thinking that this will encourage them to accept the truth. However, is this wise and in harmony with the Scriptures?

    6 We have been counseled to be cautious in our dealings with men of the nations, unbelievers, and ordinary persons. (See the November 15, 1988, issue of The Watchtower, pages 15-16.) Why should we have unnecessary social contact with people who still pursue worldly ways and who have not become worshipers of Jehovah? (2 Cor. 6:14, 15) Some who are negligent spiritually may seek out others who also hold on to worldly thinking and ways instead of seeking association with mature Christians who could help them become strong in the faith. They fail to appreciate that attendance at social gatherings with worldly, unprincipled people can weaken their faith and corrupt them.—Compare 2 Thessalonians 3:14, 15.

    7 Everyone wanting to practice the truth should search out associates who are devoted to Jehovah and who will help him to walk in the truth and contribute to his progress in serving God. Our friends and associates can have a profound effect on us. Therefore, how wise it is to seek out the company of godly persons who maintain a close relationship with Jehovah!

    *** w91 1/15 p. 27 The Pure Language Unites a Great Crowd of Worshipers ***The importance of watching our associations was highlighted in Tuesday’s talk “Are Your Friends Jehovah’s Friends?” Our friends should be Christians who have put on the Christlike personality and are zealous in the preaching work. Worldly acquaintances are not friends of God, and we cannot socialize with them without harm to ourselves. Even within the congregation, we must be selective if our associations are to be truly upbuilding.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    Watchtower 1987 September 15 p.12 Breathing This World's "Air" Is Death-Dealing!
    "The majority of people alive are alienated by God and controlled by the Devil. ? While some contact with worldly people is unavoidable-at work, at school, and otherwise-we must be vigilant so as to keep from being sucked back into the death-dealing atmosphere of this world. ?Let the world go along in its way, reaping its bad fruitage in the form of broken homes, illegitimate births, sexually transmitted diseases, such as AIDS, and countless other emotional and physical woes."

  • diamondiiz
    diamondiiz

    WTS is a cult and controls people in such as way that they view themselves special in God's eyes who will be the only ones who will survive. By being fake and "good" to others they may win over others to come to "truth" so they all can be saved. WTS organization is viewed as an "ark" where those on the inside will be saved. Outsiders are viewed like those who were destroyed outside of the ark in Noah's day thus are viewed as bad association. Witnesses are not forbidden from having non-jw friends but are discouraged from have these as outsiders will no benefit witnesses spiritually. Obviously witnesses will not come out and say it outright but they may make examples to that effect or some may actually admit it.

    Collage has been OKed in the last several years when I was still in but University was still a bad choice. The encourage young ones or those who finish high school to go in full time preaching as "it's he best way to live and please Jehovah" while many of these hypocritical talks are given by people who never pioneered themselves.

    Your wife feels it's her obligation to teach your child wts way so your child can be saved. No wonder you have problems as many people do. Keep doing research and with knowledge you might have a better chance of helping your wife awake and see the deception she's taught. Keep asking an many will try to help you. Also it's a good idea to quote wts publication when you discuss doctrine with your wife but even then when teachings change the jws ignore it and say it's old understanding since their understanding is progressive even though some teachings go back and forth.

    Maybe one last thing to mention is that if you bring up anything against wts your wife may question where you get your source and will tell you that the ex-jw are evil, liars and that we are telling you half truths and we take quotes out of context because we were thrown out and that's why jws are not to associate with exjw. WTS compares exjw (apostates) to that of the devil so when you talk to her be careful how you approach her or she may view you as an opposer and your marriage may go downhill.

  • Doubtfully Yours
    Doubtfully Yours

    In this world, Christians (JWs) cannot isolate themselves from dealings with non-Christians (non-JWs) as it is necessary for our everyday functioning. However, yes, following Biblical admonishings, a true/serious JW does not have close/intimate association with non-JWs as there's nothing in common for such a relationship; our way of life is much too different for any significant relationship to solidify with a non-JW.

    It's just the way it is.

    DY

  • not a jw
    not a jw

    my mother in law has been involved with the jw's for a long time,she did not finish college til she was in her late 40's so she was not a newbie.i kind of thought if i was to tell my wife that i am getting info from x jw's that would cause more problems but i already have alot of problems with her due to her beliefs but at the same time this website will not be mentioned.as for you "doubtfully yours"so i take it that you are a practicing jw??so you are telling me that it is ok or the right thing to do is to not have strong ties with your spouse or other family members if they are not "jw's"aka "CHRISTIANS" if that is what they believe in then i think it is pretty dam sorry!!as for my wife working it is just how "nugget"desribes it in a previous post since she has been involved with the jw's she only does part time menial jobs while before she actually had a great career in the banking industry.

  • nelly136
    nelly136

    when my jw dad was offered a look at his first grandchild in her pram, his words were 'no point getting attached , be dead soon!'

    i think that pretty much summed up how non/ex jws (armageddon fodder) are viewed.

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