It Is Not the First Time

by AGuest 83 Replies latest jw friends

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  AGuest

  Just a minor point about something you, Shelby said, this may be nit-picking,you said that before Moses the "Name" was not known to the Hebrews, but as it is found forming part of proper names found in Genesis, this cannot be so.

  I understand what you are saying, dear Wobble (the greatest of love and peace to you!); however, apparently the sound of God's name was included in a whole lot of words and even some names. Not because it was known that it was God's name in particular that they were uttering, but simply because the vocabulary of the Hebrews was somewhat limited. I mean, it's not like they were a really large group of people BEFORE migrating to Egypt; they became a large group over the 430 or so years they were in Egypt. So from the time of Abraham to Jacob (Israel), they had a relatively close familial vocabulary - "tribal" even. Even Moses considered himself limited in speech, even though he grew up in Pharaoh's house. They're vocabulary grew while in Egypt and most of them didn't even know they HAD a God, let alone His name.

  My Lord did not say to me, however, nor did I hear it said, that those BEFORE Abraham didn't know the name of the Most Holy One of Israel. Those who were in the East from where he came. All I heard was that the "Hebrews/Israel", which I understood to mean starting with Abraham (and not because, as some believe, he was the first to be called a "hebrew," although that is the modern and English transliteration and not the actual word), did not know the name. My understanding is that Abraham wasn't told on purpose (because his faith was tested).

  However, that they knew the sound... because those before them knew the name... and used it in daily words and even some names... makes sense to me. I don't know (I have not heard) where it stopped, but it would seem to me that it had to be before Abraham's father, Terah (makes sense to ME that he would have told Abram the name if he knew it. If I hear anything to explain this further, I will certainly share it here - ).

  And this is all that I know of the matter as of now, dear Wobble. I hope this helps and again bid you peace!

  Your servant and a slave of Christ,

  SA
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  Twitch

  dude. Why do you write all this nonsense????

  Shelby is the only person to whom Christ apparently reveals this information.

  She is SPECIAL.

  So she tells you to go to Christ, but judges you as not listening to him if you reject her interpretation of what she says is his name.

  Dudes, if I may,..

  Being an atheist, I understand where you're coming from and have said more or less the same things to those of the christian faith in my 20 years since leaving the dubs and faith in general. The reasons for this are fairly obvious of course, given the bias formed against my former beliefs and the process needed to break away from that mindset. This is evidenced by the fact that I really had no issue with those of other faiths i.e. non-christian. In fact, one of the main reasons I did leave JWism was their piety and judgement of those who didn't believe as they did. I reasoned that there were many people of other faiths who were just as kind, loving and decent as any JW or christian for that matter and it did not follow that they were any less deserving of such things in kind. I reasoned that there were many paths to god and that god did not play favorites as we are all his children and deserving of his "love", to use the classic analogy. Perhaps there are as many paths to god as there are people, perhaps it's a personal journey and belief not bound by the age, sex, culture, or creed.

  I began to believe that one can attain a level of altruistic good will towards others for no other reason or reward than the fact it makes you feel good and that in most cases, it will reciprocated. Kindness begets kindness, no matter what camp you're from. This is a truth IMO. Similarly, one is only responsible for one's actions, not how it will be perceived or if it will be reciprocated by others. Such are the caveats of free will. If someone tells you your beliefs are wrong, so what? Just words, just an opinion. Why let it affect you? Why give it power? Why maintain a cycle of negativity and judgement? Let it go, respect your own self and give as you would wish to have. Such were my musings along the way.

  Eventually, I found secular humanism much more to my liking and logic and reaon more akin to my nature. Suffice to say I've found my niche and am happy with it. I also believe that this too, like any belief, is personal and is not an exclusive path to happiness or self fulfillment. Your mileage may vary but birds of a feather do flock together and there are many kinds in the marsh. Anywho,..

  All in all, this is one man's opinion and is worth as much; take it or leave it, I don't mind. But my point is that if something bothers you, ask yourself if it's them or you that has the issue. Know thyself. All the questions are waiting to be asked and only you have the answers.
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  AGuest

  And if I may (peace to you, dear Twitch):

  dude. Why do you write all this nonsense????

  Answered above, and quite truthfully...

  Shelby is the only person to whom Christ apparently reveals this information.

  Perhaps. Although Shelby has never said that. To the contrary, Shelby readily professes that there are others. Shelby has also said that such others may have their "reasons" for remaining silent (including comments like this)... and have to deal with that themselves, between them and Christ.

  She is SPECIAL.

  She is. And you know what? After having lived on this earth for more than 50 years, Shelby believes she can quite truthfully say that she IS special. And there are others who believe this as well. Why one has a problem with that, however, is curious. I mean (well, Shelby means), someone's got to be special, right? Why not Shelby? (Note, though, that Shelby believes her "specialty" lies in the fact that she knows the TRUTH is that she isn't special at all but, to the contrary, a good for nothing servant and truly foolish one, which isn't the case with everyone, contrary to what comes out of their mouths... or hearts, as we see coming from this particularly "special" one... whose "specialty," apparently, is that he/she knows Shelby better than anyone else... including Shelby...)

  So she tells you to go to Christ,

  She does. She should. So should this "special" one, particularly given its "specialty". But far be it from Shelby to tell it that it should. Because it already knows it. Curious: neither Shelby nor anyone else sees this "special" one doing much OF it, though. Could it be that the green-eyed monster that dwells withing this particularly "special" vessel won't ALLOW it to do so????

  but judges you as not listening to him if you reject her interpretation of what she says is his name.

  Shelby judges no one and such a statement is SO reminiscent of WTBTS BS. It's an all out lie, but say it, publish it, put it in writing... "and the idjits will believe it's so." Praise JAH, the number of idjits in this place is usually pretty limited. Shelby would say we're actually down to one pretty "special" one, right now.

  (Sorry, dear Twitch - Shelby tried to leave it alone, but since you brought it all back up, she felt the need to get it all off her chest, so to speak. Sometimes, it's good to let sleeping dogs lie. Sometimes, though, you gotta get 'em up and kick their butts out into the yard for a little fresh air - .)

  Peace!

  A [very imperfect and not all that special at all, really] slave of Christ,

  SA
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  watersprout

  Thank you Shel for posting this thread... A lot of info to take in but well worth the read!

  Peace my sister
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  OUTLAW

  Shelby I fear it may be time for you to move on and take your message someplace else, because clearly with the exception of a few,

  your message has fallen upon deaf ears. You mentioned another forum, who's name you've forgotten, but you didn't forget how callous

  they were towards your Lord's message. So you moved on. Its time to move on from here too, Shelby.

  By the way I'm not elbowing you to leave, I'm sure some people want me gone from here. But I mean it may be time to stop these message from the sky threads

  , because the results of these kind of threads are far removed from what your intentions are I'm sure......MiseryLoves Elders

  Good Morning Misery!..

  You will have to admit..That is a "very" Mixed Message in one post..LOL!!..

  My post wasn`t meant to hurt you..It was to point out what you actually said..

  and..

  How many people would react..If Shelby "did" leave this board because of a post like that.

  Yes Shelby is Eccentric and there are some Crazy Bible Thumpers here..But..What you may not now is..There are many here,who share Shelbys beliefs..

  Some post..Some do not,because of how they see Shelby treated by some..These people ask nothing from anyone and they hurt no one..

  The difference I see between Shelby and the other so called Messangers of God is..Shelby doesn`t need me or anyone else to be a Christian,or accept her beliefs..

  Shelby is not trying to cram Her Beliefs down my Throat..Her message is for Fellow Believers..

  Does Shelby know some people think she Bonifide Nuts or comes off as Holier than Thou?..LOL!!..Of course..

  Do you have a right to question Shelby?..Of course..Shelby expects to be Questioned,she welcomes it..

  But..

  Telling her,she should leave..Is not a Question..

  I hope you now understand my post to you..

  And..

  I still consider you a Brother in KFC..

  ........................... ...OUTLAW
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  OUTLAW

  Shelby..

  Check your PM`s..

  ........................... ...OUTLAW
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  Twitch

  (Sorry, dear Twitch - Shelby tried to leave it alone, but since you brought it all back up, she felt the need to get it all off her chest, so to speak. Sometimes, it's good to let sleeping dogs lie. Sometimes, though, you gotta get 'em up and kick their butts out into the yard for a little fresh air

  No apology necessary; this wasn't about you or me for that matter. I was addressing those who made those statements, but I can see how this may have been unclear. Perhaps I should've used their proper names so that everyone knew whom I was addressing.

  I understand your need to respond to these things in defense of your beliefs, and you do it well. I was only doing the same for those I identify with, those I understand. To each their own. I trust you understand and respect this.

  Peace
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  miseryloveselders

  After reviewing this thread, I stand corrected. Shelby apparently has a supportive audience. That being the case, I admit I underestimated her support on this forum. Continue on, don't mind me as I'm going to go back to respectfully observing these threads. I'm glad I asked the question though as I got what I was looking for. Shelby if your reading this, can you do me a favor since your the praying type. Can you pray that Nas releases Lost Tapes II before the end of this year?

  Outlaw as someone not celebrating Thanksgiving, I sure wish KFC was open right now. The only joints open are Chinese joints, and I don't want any of that. I might have to fry something myself. I don't have any chicken though, but I got some fish, got some ground meat too.

  Anyways happy Turkey Day peoples, although for those who don't have to work tommorrow, I don't wish you a happy turkey day. May peace be only upon those who have to work tommorrow.
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  OUTLAW

  Hey Misery!..

  All the KFC`s are open in Canada..

  The problem is..

  I`m a 4+hr drive away from the closest one..LOL!!..

  Thats probably a Blessing in Disguise,for my KFC Addicted Ass..

  ........................... ...OUTLAW
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  pirata

  @Aguest, thank you for the detailed answer to my query.