So the organiser was a former chief of Police and the father of the boy was a Doctor????...... idiots!
So an 8 year old is killed by a machine-gun and it's no ones fault?
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Witness 007
Whats with Americans and guns?
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PSacramento
Whats with Americans and guns?
It's part of their culture, like Philipinos with knives, Greeks with anal sex and Australians with molesting kangaroos ;)
On a serious note, yes it is part of their culture and as such, it will always be part of it.
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james_woods
Neckbeards gun purchase laws:
Have been adjudicated as a mental defective or been committed to a mental institution.
Additionally, the NICS checks criminal history records to identify convicted felons and those convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence crimes. The system also checks NCIC files for wanted persons, protection orders, and deported felons.
I submit that it would have been very likely that Loughner would have been ruled a mental defective if he had been sent for observation after the run-ins with the campus police.
That, of course, would not have prevented him from stealing a gun or obtaining one illegally. No more than a law that no one can approach an elected official closer than 1000' would have stopped him. Nor would any of this have prevented him from running the crowd down with a car.
But, having him committed to an institution might well have prevented the shooting.
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PSacramento
Let's remember a few thinsg though:
Guns were invented to make killing easier, even in the old days you could kill someone without a gun, including running them over with your horse (car).
Guns make it far easier to kill a person, not to mention multiple people, than if one was so inclined to use something else because that is what guns were designed for.
While one can "easily" kill 6 pople with a gun, it won't be that "easy" to kill them with a knife or ax or even a car.
It takes minimal training to usin a gun well enough to kill.
It takes less "fortitude" to kill with a gun then it does with knives, blunt weapons or any "instrument" that will egt your "hands dirty".
And while knives and axes and sticks and cars CAN be used to kill, they were NOT made for that purpose today ( typically).
Guns are only made and used for killing ( or cracking nuts).
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leavingwt
Whats with Americans and guns?
The police are not obligated to protect American citizens. The Supreme Court decided this and you can read about it, below.
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james_woods
Guns are only made and used for killing ( or cracking nuts).
That is not actually true - most guns that are actually used in the U.S. are used for target practice or sport shooting like skeet or trap - which are legitimate sports. There is even a shooting event in the Olympics.
Anyway the argument is pointless - it is simply impossible both logistically and politically to eliminate all private guns from the United States.
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PSacramento
Anyway the argument is pointless - it is simply impossible both logistically and politically to eliminate all private guns from the United States.
Yep, that is 100% correct.
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NeckBeard
But, having him committed to an institution might well have prevented the shooting.
And whose fault is that?
Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County.
Every victim of his threats previously must also be wondering if this tragedy could have been prevented if they had been more aggressive in pursuing charges against Mr. Loughner. Perhaps with a felony conviction he would never have been able to lawfully by the Glock 9mm Model 19 that he used to strike down the lives of six people and decimate 14 more.
This was not an act of politics. This was an act of a mentally disturbed young man hell bent on getting his 15 minutes of infamy. The Pima County Sheriff’s Department was aware of his violent nature and they failed to act appropriately. This tragedy leads right back to Sherriff Dupnik and all the spin in the world is not going to change that fact.
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NeckBeard
Dupnik sucks.
Clarence Dupnik, extraordinary and courageous law enforcement officer, personally congratulated by our president. That's the portrait of the Pima County sheriff who has become a hero to the national media by blaming the Tucson Safeway massacre on, among others, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, and the Tea Party.
But reality tells another picture. A little digging and the media that have used the shooting to, as one American Thinker contributor put it, "declare war" on the conservative opposition to Democratic expansion of government would discover a reality completely at odds with the bulk of the reporting by conventional media. But why allow truth to stand in the way of a convenient narrative? Reality: Pima County, the crime capital of Arizona, home of a politicized sheriff's department where progressive ideology and political correctness -- not competence -- rules.
The New York Times editorial board has cast the sheriff as a valiant warrior fighting against an epidemic of violence that makes his beloved Pima County the epicenter of "the anger, the hatred and the bigotry that goes on in this country." Meanwhile, MSNBC, the mainstream networks, the Washington Post and others pile on, with the new parent of Newsweek hailing "Arizona's New Star Sherriff" who is "winning raves" for his willingness to blame the shooting on conservatives nationwide. Harvard-trained progressive broadcaster Amy Goodman, from her headquarters in the trendy Chelsea section of Manhattan, contrasts the quality of law enforcement offered by the "humanity" of Democrat Dupnik with the head of law enforcement of neighboring Maricopa County, where the "notorious" Sherif Joe Arpaio "jails people" -- even, much to the dismay of Attorney General Eric Holder, illegal immigrants -- under "harsh conditions."
But a trip to the Uniform Crime Reports database of the FBI tells a different story. Forget the boosterish statistics reported by Dupnik on his taxpayer-financed website. Forget the media applause. They bear as much relation to reality -- crime on the ground -- as the deliberately altered statistics offered by climate researchers to prove global warming. Although the county has had reporting problems (the Sheriff is a remarkably sloppy administrator), the FBI has enough data to allow us to come to this conclusion: The citizens of Pima County are up to their necks in crime, especially when compared to neighboring Maricopa County. Thirty years of hyper-partisan Democrat-led law enforcement have resulted in the highest crime rates in Arizona. The citizen who lives in Pima County, compared to media-reviled Joe Arpaio's territory just next door, will have almost three times the chance of being murdered; is more than seven times as likely to be raped; is more than six times as likely to be assaulted; and more than seven times as likely to have experienced a property crime such as burglary, arson or car theft.
The Arizona Republic tells us that Dupnik is not just a law enforcement officer but "the Democratic (emphasis added) sheriff of Pima County" who is "recklessly antagonistic" and has shown "his agenda as partisan." The FBI crime reports tell us that three decades of progressive, politicized Democratic law enforcement by media hero Dupnik have given Arizona a new first...Detroit-on-the-Desert.