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by DarioKehl 61 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • DarioKehl
    DarioKehl

    Thank you all!

    GREAT question, Sab!

    That's one for a topic but since you asked, I'll give you the deets: I was skeptical about my belief in God since age 9, and His own worst enemy are all the accounts in the Old Testament. For a 3rd grader to study accounts where a Lot would offer his daughters up for a gang rape, or Jeptha giving his daughter up as a burnt offering in the All Scriptures Inspired book and then hear the spin about how "God's righteous indignation," "universal sovereignty" and "love for us" justified actions like those can really mess with a kid's mind! If the Bible says that he gave her up as a burnt offering, why did our books and magazines insist that this phrase means something more benevolent...like making her attend the "Bethel" of that day? If those words aren't meant to be taken literally, who says that 144,000 is literal? And for a kid of course, why do all the kool things in Revelation have to be symbolic? I wanted to see multi-headed beasts come out of the ocean! I had problems with "who decides what means what."

    But growing up Dub, you understand the intense pressure to fit in. To satisfy your parents. To conform. And decades of cognitive dissonance hijacks your future! I "became" an atheist after majoring in Biology. I wanted to "study the enemy" and arm myself with their knowledge. I felt I could counter their arguments with my Bible-based "accurate knowledge." I hung in there for a few semesters and finally had to give up lol!

    As far as "admitting it to myself," well... with that comes the difficulty of facing the fact that this life is all we have. It's kind of depressing at first and I was upset with myself for discovering this. NOW what??? I have nothing to hope for after this??? Yikes! The idea of never seeing dead loved ones was also very tough. But, something amazing happened...the anxiety and panic attacks that bothered me through the teens and 20s went away! I think the skeptic 9-year-old was clamoring to escape this cage he was in and the fairy-tale version of "happily ever after" in a peaceful new world never seemed real to me. This manifested itself in severe depression/anxiety. Why couldn't I buy in to this idea when so many intelligent adults around me believed it enough to bang on people's doors and try to convince them TOO???

    Very tough to come to terms...but, it's also a new awakening. If this is all we have, by golly, we need to make the best of it!

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    I'm still a member of the bOrg officially and will not reveal any identifying hints about my identity/whereabouts

    Isn't it true that some here evidently have been outted when they were identified from their posts?? I am assuming it is from them posting too much personal information and that one's identity cannot be determined here from IP address or such.

    DOC

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    Welcome Dario! I prefer to call myself a non believer. Though I love the way Eric Hoffer put it "The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not."

    Your project sounds interesting. I wonder if Jehovah's Witnesses who have left a religion to come into the 'truth' understand they are Apostates too.

    I agree with you that there is a need to be more helpful to those who have started to doubt and are trying to work out a life time of conditioning.

    It's amazing to realize that we have former Pioneers, MS, Elders, Bethelites etc. associated with this site. Many are very kind and loving people who try to be good mentors.

    Perhaps if there was a way to link those who are questioning with those who have made the journey with complete anonymity and in a more private and less confrontational setting it might be helpful.

    By now I am sure you've identified those kindred spirits on this site who might be worth contacting by the private message option. Some will make a good sounding board for your ideas.

    GIO

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    Dario, your story is strikingly similar to mine.

    I'll be here along the way to help. It's a tough road out!

    -Sab

  • Ding
    Ding

    Welcome to the forum!

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    DarioKehl - "...remember who our audience is: scared, trapped, doubting people who are faced with making the most difficult decision of their lives and they need to feel safe and comfortable when visiting..."

    Nice.

    I've never had a problem staying dispassionate about the facts, even pre-fade; in fact, I preferred to talk in more clinical terms (privately to maintain some level of objectivity and thusly avoid embarassing myself), and made damn sure I had evidence to prove I was right about something before I shot off my mouth.

    It actually bothered a couple of older JW women I knew, 'cause my presentations and arguments - as a result - felt so secular in tone, as opposed to the (JW equivalent of) fire-and-brimstone style of some of the old-schoolers. However, I developed a rep for slicing through the horseshit with logic and reason; uneducated JWs learned early on not to get into debates with me, 'cause I was rarely inclined to show mercy when others exposed their ignorance or stoopidity.

    The worst you'll hear from me here is a mildly sardonic wiseassiness (<- kinda like that).

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Welcome to Dario and to Kimbo, who I have not met before..................

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Heya Dario....Your name reminds me of the Vitalic song. :) Well welcome! I remember very well the fears and anxiety I had when I first reached out to ex-JWs or reading "apostate literature", and I agree with you about the importance of tone. I like websites like jwfacts.com that strive to present information in as an inoffensive and dispassionate way as possible. This forum is a little different because it is a community that is open to almost anyone to join, and so it's going to cover a wide gamut of personalities and tastes (and the guidelines are not always given priority). I do try to post in a style that is neutral and puts the focus on the information rather than the person. But as this is a community, I do have my silly side too. :)

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    Welcome Dario

  • FatFreek 2005
    FatFreek 2005

    Hi Dario,

    And if any of you are tech-savy, let me know..

    You may want to be a little more specific as to which technology you're talking about. There are people here with great computer-in-general technology, web and networking technology, raster graphics and vector graphics know-how, photographic , involute gear, marketing, cooking, basket-weaving -- you get the idea.

    And welcome to both of you newcomers.

    Len

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