If Armageddon came tomorrow, would Jehovah kill a billion children? (page 6)

brotherdan

people feel justified in judging that others are unfit for life.

Again, that is wrong. People do not judge. I personally have absolutely NO say in who God does or does not judge as wicked. Those that felt justified to take judgements into their own hands are absolutely wrong and have no excuse.

I do not worship an angry God. I worship a perfect God of love, faithfulness, and the only one that can be called "Good".

No, this god you speak of is all too human and full of mistakes.

And this is the conclusion that you will come to from a surface understanding of the Bible. Deeper Spirit given knowledge will reveal a far different attitude of God. I beg you to give Him a chance. Open your heart in prayer and see if you come to a different conclusion. Read the NT to get a real understanding of Jesus Christ and then you will understand God better in the OT.

sabastious

The thing is, if God truly is omnipotent then he would never need to kill humans in traumatic fashion. Instead of killing them he could preform a "life transfer." He could transfer any life from one point in time to another; it would be instantaneous for the subject and no loss of life would be needed. God has no absolute need to have people stoned for not following Jewish rituals; in fact, never is brutality a requirement to kill.

So why did God do it? Why does he prefer morbid causes of death over obviously countless more humane ways of accomplishing capital punishment.

Why!

-Sab

brotherdan

Perhaps as a demonstration to those that would be considering a wrong course? The Bible doesn't say why God chooses to do some of the things he does. But we cannot stand in judgement and condemnation of God.

Let's say that God is real, and you are mocking him and insulting him by calling him a cruel monster?

sabastious

Let's say that God is real, and you are mocking him and insulting him by calling him a cruel monster?

For the record, I acknowledge the possibility of a malevolent creator. It's not beyond the stretch of imagination that God could be tricking all of us because he has to the power to do so.

But that's not my point. My point is that God was not the cause of distruction in the Bible stories that allege it.

The stories contradict how most of the Bible's description of God, and my personal description as well.

-Sab

whereami

Let's say that God is real, and you are mocking him and insulting him by calling him a cruel monster?

Thanks for making my point" You will defend your cruel murdering god to the end because if you don't, you'll end up like the people you feel deserve to be destroyed".

brotherdan

I can respect that, Sab.

But the judgments of God in the OT are continued in the NT. If you read Revelation you see what will be the eventuality of men that do not submit to God's rule, and it's judgement is like the judgements in the OT only more severe. It speaks of 1/3 of the population as being killed off. It speaks of horrible judgements. But throughout the book it also speaks of a way out for those that attach themselves to Jesus.

Instead of thinking, "God is horrible for his judgements" why not think, "These people must have been pretty bad to deserve such harsh punishment." Do you think they were actually good people? Like misery said earlier, in Sodom and Gomorrah (2 large cities) God could not find even 5 righteous people that deserved to be saved. These were horrible wicked nations.

whereami

BD, is this how you look at some of us, apostates/atheists/non-believers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHYeHN4ZUQ

brotherdan

You will defend your cruel murdering god to the end because if you don't, you'll end up like the people you feel deserve to be destroyed

I defend my loving and just God because He is deserving of my worship. He made a way out from my sins. He has declared all believers in Christ to be righteous even though we are sinners and do not deserve it.

He has made a way out for all of us. While millions of people think that they have 70 or 80 years to live life to the full and commit any sort of sin they want without consequence, and then die and all will be over, God has shown that this does not have to be the case. His hand is outstretched. All we have to do is take hold and believe in Him.

But it should be expected that there will be those that will mock God and blashpeme Him. I just hope they come to their senses before it is too late.

brotherdan

whereiam, do I think your eyes are blind? Yes. Does it have to be permanent? No. Do I judge you as someone lesser than a believer? No. I'm not trying to insult you, just having a debate.

The arguments that this video poster uses is weak and uses strawman arguments. He tries to claim that believers have no arguments to the problems brought up by non believers and just close their ears to truth. That's just not true. Non believers may not "like" the answer that they get because they don't like the type of God that they think God is. But there is an answer to most questions brought up by non believers. He uses people that have used weak arguments as a general consensus of the Christian community. They are not. He is quoting from liberal Christians and Christians that don't take the Bible as inerrant.

NewChapter

Like misery said earlier, in Sodom and Gomorrah (2 large cities) God could not find even 5 righteous people that deserved to be saved

Maybe there were 4 or 3 or 2 or 1----there certainly were lots of children.

If Armageddon came tomorrow, would Jehovah kill a billion children?

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