Jehovah's Witnesses Are NOT Under Mind Control

by PublishingCult 60 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  darth frosty

  Good discussion here on hypnotic language patterns.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/190069/1/Hypnotic-Language-Patterning

  You also need to understand there are other ways to influence peoples behavior without 'controling their mind'. If thru the meeting and literature they can plant ideas and suggestion that slowly regulate the way people think Mission accomplished.

  One thing I note about Dubs is when they ask the dub Questions there is no more proof of the conditioning that has affected them.

  Example:

  (you see a dub you haven't seen in a while) Oh what hall are you at? When you guys assembly? (if you are a man who has 'served) oh we need to have you over to give a talk!

  These are not normal patterns of speech and connecting with people they are forms of Dub conditioning. JW's have a conditioned pattern of speech and questions to find out the status of the Dub they are talking to and to convey their status.

  Example:

  (Again dub you see) Oh Iam aux pioneering this month! We just had our assembly! My child just...(gave his/her 1st talk got baptized etc.)

  What I like to do is ask them why they ask such questions and try and get them to fall into a loop snarl of conflicting programing. Or better yet point out the control as its taking over their minds and next question.

  Example:

  (dub ask why I dont go to the hall) Why do you want to know is it so that you can categorize me and judge my worthiness or do you want to know the actual reasoning behind me decision?

  That last example came from Blondie, I hope I did it justice. But if you can reconize the conditioning that goes on, especially as dicussed in the link above, you can better understand the mind-set and control that has affected the Dub reasoning.
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  saltyoldlady

  Darth Frosty - You are right on! I used to get "so tired" of the constant judgmental questions - it is not genuine heartfelt love that motivates this kind of conversation - it is hollow and empty.
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  Listener

  It would be interesting to ask a JW exactly what would it take to stop putting trust in the GB, I doubt many could answer that as it would be a hypothetical situation to them. The bible warns that the faithful slave can become wicked and it is something that a JW should be able to identify.
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  Murray Smith

  That's the point . . . Luo bou to . . . not all of them do . . . but thier afraid to say it . . . implications? . . . too huge
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  darth frosty

  Listener-Asking a dub what would take to stop putting trust in the GB would trigger the conditioning and they will think of you as trying to draw them away from jehovah.

  IMO key is to understand the conditioning that exist and work around the triggers. Sadly this is hard to do when you dont know or appreciate the conditioning program and how their use of hypnosis and NLP work.
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  Murray Smith

  Second that d f . . . almost impossible even if you DO know
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  wasblind

  " So why is it that when the GB changes its mind 7-2 million JWs change theirs? "

  That's the best question ever for mind control cult, Luo bou to
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  Mad Sweeney

  People who say it is NOT mind control, do what most apologists do: redefine the terms so that they no longer challenge the status quo.

  "It's not a cult because we don't follow a man." "It isn't mind control because it isn't coercive like the POWs underwent in Korea."

  To win the argument you have to define the terms and then discuss how the Borg fits the definition. If they choose not to call it a "cult" or "mind control" that's fine, as long as they don't deny the actions that are undeniable. The point is to make them face reality, whatever we choose to call it.

  Here's the reality of what organizations that use mind control do:

  If the organization displays unquestioning commitment to its leadership and regards the belief system, ideology, and practices as the truth, as law,

  If questioning and dissent are discouraged or even punished by excommunication and/or shunning,

  If the organization claims a special, exalted status for itself,

  If the organization has an us-versus-them mentality as regards to other religions and the rest of the world,

  If the leaders are not accountable to any humans, not even the organization's membership, but only to God,

  If the leadership induces feelings of shame or guilt in order to influence and/or control members' behavior,

  If the organization requires reducing or cutting ties with non-member family and friends, radically altering the personal goals and activities a member had before joining the group,

  If the organization is preoccupied with bringing in new members,

  If the members are expected to devote large amounts of their time to group meetings and activities,

  If loyal members feel there can be no life, no happiness outside the group and feel there is no other valid way of living,

  If the organization fosters dissatisfaction with the present and encourages members to participate in time-consuming organizational activities that promise to lead to a better future,

  then it's an organization using mind control.
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  metatron

  To me, it's a default sort of argument. You have an organization that's been preaching that Armageddon is Any Day Now for 130 YEARS, for God's sake - and 7 million people still believe what it says!

  It MUST be mind control! Otherwise, 7 million minds would rebel and say, "What the heck am I thinking? This stuff is crap and these idiots couldn't prophecy their way out of a burlap sack".

  metatron
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  jonathan dough

  but there's no clear scientific evidence that supports that people can controlled by others just because they read something.

  Adolf Hitler and his propoganda machine would disagree with this superficial assertion.