Jehovah's Witnesses Are NOT Under Mind Control

by PublishingCult 60 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Morbidzbaby
    Morbidzbaby

    Ooooh I was gonna bring up Hitler! Classic mind control techniques right there!

    Lou bou to, that question sums the subject up beautifully. 7.2 million JW's are not allowed to think in contrast to the GB.

    Wait, let me rephrase that for Spade/Alice.. They are allowed to. They have the free will to think differently. "Jehovah gave us free will, it's their choice"... However there are DIRE consequences to refusing to accept a new doctrine. So what do the sheeple do? They go along with it, squelching any doubts they have, pushing them to the back of their mind. Slipping that pan to the back burner until later when "New Light" will take care of it. They keep the status quo, no matter the cost...right down to their own freedom. Why? Out of FEAR. And when a person's psyche is attacked by FEAR, they can make no rational decisions.

    Speaking of fear, I always shuddered with they compared "fearing Jehovah" with "following the FDS". How in the world are those two synonymous? If that's the case, then subliminally they were telling us to be in fear of the FDS/GB. Mind control indeed. There was quite a lot of subliminal work being done, I'm now realizing. From the artwork to the repeatedly telling us we weren't doing enough, we weren't good enough, etc. The "examples of fine witnesses" that served to make us feel like crap because we couldn't do more. And so because we feel like crap, we're going to complicate our lives, put ourselves in a financial bind, and risk not being able to support our families in order to do more more MORE. How is that NOT mind control??

    However, I think there is an issue with calling it mind control. I mean, we can call a spade a spade , but the first thing that's brought to mind is the sci-fi stereotypical mind control. The man with the wires sticking out of his head who says "Yes, master, I will do your bidding" and has ZERO free will to do anything of his own initiative. That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about subliminal messaging (which HAS been proven to work, mind you!), as well as carrot-dangling, hypnotic speech (damn, I fell asleep A LOT at ADs, SADs, and DCs), and a whole host of other techniques. If you listen to a public talk, no matter who the speaker is, no matter where they are, they ALWAYS SOUND THE SAME. Why is that? Because the WTBS teaches hypnosis techniques to the already hypnotized...yet they speak out about hypnosis so much and claim it's from Satan. I can see the irony, can you?

  • moshe
    moshe

    Are cigarette smokers under mind control or just addicted to a drug?

    Certainly shunning plays a role in keeping JWs in line, but the fact is, JWs are addicted to the unique WT dogmas that promise them they will never have to die a physical death, they, only JWs, will be 1 out of 1000 humans on Earth that will avoid being destroyed by Jehovah at Armageddon --AND then they will live for eternity as perfect humans on a paradise Earth. JWs have dedicated their whole life to doing what the WT says they need to do in order to continue as JWs in good standing and get that priceless ticket to the new order.

    Take away the unique WT end times dogmas and what motivation does a JW have for being a stooge for the WT publishing Corp? Would they go out in service? Hardly, as they would have nothing to say. Would they obey the GB to the detriment of their own lives? No, I think not. They would happily leave the KH. Free at last, free at last!

    Finally, JWs keep going due to the sunk cost value of their entire life spent doing WT work. It would be hard for them to admit they wasted their life for nothing- losing out on , college, rewarding careers, marriage, children, travel/vacations, a normal family w/children, a nice home, etc., for a lie. They would have to trade it all in for a badge that says," I'm a JW Shmuck". That new overlapping 1914 generation teaching is like manna from heaven for JWs, as they can put off facing the reality of their pathetic and wasted lives for another 20-30 years.

    JWs weren't brain washed into accepting something they never wanted in the first place. They want what they want and they will overlook anything that tries to take that special WT cookie away from them. They are addicted to the lie of the new order and everlasting life in paradise, until such time as they are willing to accept that these WT dogmas are just doctrines of men and can then function as independently thinking human beings.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    Even though hypnosis is one of the tools, it isn't what most of us on JWN mean by "mind control."

    I think when we use the phrase "mind control" we mean BITE control techniques like the ones laid out by Steven Hassan and first researched by people like Lifton and Salinger. These are aggressive efforts to control behavior, information, thoughts, and emotions of recruits and members.

  • Morbidzbaby
    Morbidzbaby

    Mad Sweeney I was thinking of the BITE model, too... TimKilgore has a section of his Tough Questions videos on YouTube directed at JW's that discusses the BITE model and I found them VERY interesting.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Every JW will tell you they have Freedom of Choice..

    What they won`t tell you is..

    There are Severe Penalties in Watchtower World for not making the WBT$ Approved choice..

    The WBT$ helps Jehovah`s Witness`s..

    Make the Right Choice..

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    ....................... ...OUTLAW

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    You tell it Outlaw

  • Nickolas
    Nickolas

    Spade, the greatest conundrum of mind control is that one is unaware of it in himself.

  • dgp
    dgp
    So true They hold your family as hostages when you reject their authority

    Not that I think there is no mind control. But there's no denying they take your family away from you if you dare disagree. That is not mind control. It's explicit blackmail.

  • darth frosty
    darth frosty

    Outlaw: There are Severe Penalties in Watchtower World for not making the WBT$ Approved choice..

    Great one there! I always love how when asked about attending weddings or funnerals in a church the 'official reply' is that its up to the individual and is a conscious matter...But as stated above we know the way the conscious should lean ;-)

  • JuanMiguel
    JuanMiguel

    Speaking just for myself and my own personal experience, I can honestly say I was not under mind control, but I wasn’t totally free of mental interference. I can also say I was not entirely responsible for what happened to me while a Witness even though I was mostly free to make the choices I did.

    True, I chose to be a Witness. But being a Witness did something for me. You see, I wanted to have answers. I liked being able to know ‘what God was thinking,’ so to speak. I liked the feeling that I was special, that I had tapped into the one source for understanding the Bible whereas the rest of the world was blind to its message. Though I am naturally humble, I am never without my darker side. And joining the Watchtower was a slyly designed egotistical trip that made these problematic desires of mine seem “okay.”

    Well over a decade has passed since I was a Witness. Now I know it’s not healthy to try to have all the answers. It’s okay to want them, and it would be nice to have them, but to pursue them and make claim to know “the” truth regarding “life, the universe, and everything” (as Adams so comically put it in his Hitchhiker book series) is not a good thing…at least not for me.

    No one knows all the answers or is 100% sure about everything they accept. Life has mysteries. The scientific method and human reason can’t be used to prove all that is real. And faith and religion is an exercise in truths not facts. That’s life. I had to embrace that, but I wasn’t comfortable with the voids this reality leaves and which others live with everyday.

    We can’t compartmentalize the world and gods and science into a form which we can easily take ownership and control of. These things are far greater than us. We can hardly wield them conceptually let alone claim to have discovered the final word on such things.

    Sure, the JWs claim that one can know “the” truth about practically everything, and that God’s reality and personality cannot be something outside the grasp of human reason. They claim to have solved and conquered the great mysteries of the world and unlocked centuries of puzzlement others have about Scripture. They teach it is okay to want to have these things answered, that it is only natural, that it is healthy. But it isn’t.

    Life isn’t black and white. As soon as we think we understand our universe, something will happen to make us have to rewrite everything we thought we knew. Good things will happen to those who do evil and evil things will happen to those who do good. And we will never be able to measure other religions by the stick the Witnesses have taught us to use. It only applies to them and works with them. Others don’t measure by it because the Witness religion is an orange in a sea of apples.

    People don’t choose their philosophy or religion the way we chose to become a Jehovah’s Witness. It’s not a search for “facts” or being able to find “proof texts.” But I was a person who found such an approach appealing, and the Witnesses not only used that desire of mine to my own ruin, they encouraged this unhealthy demand I was making on reality.

    Today I can say I believe in God, but I can’t say I know “all about God” the way the Witnesses claim they do. Their knowledge gives them a god they can control, because their Jehovah never acts in a way that defies what they have learned about him. The only constant I now accept about God is the total opposite: God will always surprise me and always be more then I can learn about him.

    I belong to a religion, but not because it gave me the answers I was looking for. I’m here because of emotional attraction to God and a literally feeling of vocation, if you will, to be where I am. I don’t have the all the answers to why or how come? I have little evidence or proof that I can put on a table. And what I can show others as to why I have done what I have, well, it defies complete comprehension when people see it. This is totally opposite of the JW-way.

    I don’t believe that those with different faiths or even contrary philosophies like atheists are evil or doomed. One of my dearest friends and his family are atheists. Myself and my religion and my concept of God, we love them just as they are. Again, very different from the Witness way.

    I can’t say your way r anyone’s else will be like mine and include a religion. Your path may be one far different. But none of us will find what we are looking for or where we need to be if we keep trying to make things fit how we need them to fit or if we demand that they make sense out of life for us.

    We have to stop using the Watchtower measure for finding our path in life. We also need to stop believing that we aren’t where we should be now when that is possible too.

    We don’t need to have all the answers. We can live with mystery. We don’t need to be able to provide empirical evidence for every choice we make in life. We are good enough being good enough, being what we are already.

    And nothing, not religion or philosophy or any type of conviction needs to measure up to some standard or provide a certain type of proof before we make it our own or adopt it. This type of decision is made not with the mind or our reason, but is a decision of the heart.

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