Seeking counsel from active or former Elders / COs / DOs

by Nickolas 34 Replies latest jw friends

  • Nickolas
    Nickolas

    A request. If you are/were not an elder and wish to comment, by all means do so, but please preface your comment accordingly. If you are posing as an elder, please, please refrain from responding lest you inadvertantly do some damage.

    I have been provided hypothetical consequences from the membership at large, now request the answer from a position of authority.

    The question.

    If the elders in my wife's congregation should decide that I have become a spiritual danger to her, how would they advise her? Any counsel, qualified or otherwise, would be welcome.

    Thank you.

  • Morbidzbaby
    Morbidzbaby

    I'm not an elder nor am I related to any (anymore, anyway)...

    However, I was in this position myself a couple years ago and found this when researching the Society's writings about separation and divorce. The "God's Love" book (2008) says this:

    In certain extreme situations, some Christians have decided to separate from or divorce a marriage mate even though that one has not committed fornication. In such a case, the Bible stipulates that the departing one “remain unmarried or else make up again.” (1 Corinthians 7:11) Such a Christian is not free to pursue a third party with a view to remarriage. (Matthew 5:32)

    Consider here a few exceptional situations that some have viewed as a basis for separation.

    Willful nonsupport. A family may become destitute, lacking the basic essentials of life, because the husband fails to provide for them, although being able to do so. The Bible states: “If anyone does not provide for . . . members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith.” (1 Timothy 5:8) If such a man refuses to change his ways, the wife would have to decide whether she needs to protect her welfare and that of her children by obtaining a legal separation. Of course, Christian elders should give careful consideration to an accusation that a Christian refuses to support his family. Refusal to care for one’s family may result in disfellowshipping.

    Extreme physical abuse. An abusive spouse may act so violently that the abused mate’s health and even life are in danger. If the abusive spouse is a Christian, congregation elders should investigate the charges. Fits of anger and a practice of violent behavior are grounds fordisfellowshipping.—Galatians 5:19-21.

    Absolute endangerment of spiritual life. A spouse may constantly try to make it impossible for the mate to pursue true worship or may even try to force that mate to break God’s commands in some way. In such a case, the threatened mate would have to decide whether the only way to “obey God as ruler rather than men” is to obtain a legal separation.—Acts 5:29.

    In all cases involving such extreme situations as those just discussed, no one should put pressure on the innocent mate either to separate or to stay with the other. While spiritually mature friends and elders may offer support and Bible-based counsel, they cannot know all the details of what goes on between a husband and a wife. Only Jehovah can see that. Of course, a Christian wife would not be honoring God or the marriage arrangement if she exaggerated the seriousness of her domestic problems just to live separately from her husband, or vice versa. Jehovah is aware of any scheming behind a separation, no matter how one may try to hide it. Indeed, “all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him with whom we have an accounting.” (Hebrews 4:13) But if an extremely dangerous situation persists, no one should criticize a Christian who, as a last resort, chooses to separate. In the final analysis, “we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God.”—Romans 14:10-12.

    The bolded and underlined part is of interest. I take this to mean that elders cannot encourage your wife one way or the other as to what she SHOULD do...however, I've known of people who were coerced to decide something through "scriptural counsel". I guess it all depends on her CBOE and what type they are...

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    Obviously I was never an elder, and I am not sure of the official position of the WT on this subject. But, a friend of mine was in this exact situation back in 2000 in my congregation. Both she and her hubby were active jdubs until the day he dropped a bomb on her that he no longer wanted to be a jw. Not only that, he did not want any jw material in the home anymore, or to hear about anything having to do with the jws. Also, he did not want any jws going to vicist my friend.

    One of our elders, who was also a good friend to both she and myself (my hubby and I studied with him and his wife) told her that this was spiritually damaging to her and that she had every right to leave her husband, though NOT get a divorce as he did not commit adultery.

    She promptly told her hubby to leave the home, as it was hers before they married, which he did and they were seperated about 5 years or so. Then he found another lady and they divorced after that. They never had any kids because they both married late in life. Do not know if the elder would have given her the same advice if children were involved but wanted to pass this along. Hope it helps, Peace Lilly

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    Hey Nick I'm gonna make this short scince I'm most definitely not an Elder

    The well to do wives with non-believing mates, ussually stay with their husbands

    I don't know what they are goin' through at home, but it ain't enough for them

    to give up a comfy life style.

  • elderelite
    elderelite

    Nick, of course i currently play the role of elder ('scuse me while i puke)... But the quotes from the first response are current and accurate. HOWEVER as elders we are told NOT to encourage a mate to leave, rather to advise as to options... That said, if u r going hard core apostate on your wife and they get wind of it or if she approaches them cause it bothers her, they may well point out to her that she is "allowed" to seperate but not divorce you on those grounds... Some elder bodies may poi t out more forcefully and loudly than others...

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    " they may well point out to her that she is "allowed" to seperate but not divorce you on those grounds... Some elder bodies may poi t out more forcefully and loudly than others..."

    Hey there EL

    Any wife who feels she needs to take this advice, also need to ask

    When it comes to her financial needs, which Elder will pick up where her husband left off.

    I'm not sayin' that God can't provide, I'm just sayin' will he put off those provisions until the big "A"

    or will she have to get a job, . Without the aid of the unbelieving mate, the wife can't donate as much to the Org

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Good Morning Nickolas..

    If your considered a Spiritual Danger..The bullet can come from anywhere..

    Including family members..

    Not only will your wife be encouraged to leave you..

    Some may be willing to finance your Mrs,so she can leave you ASAP..

    There was no shortage of helpful JW`s when my Marriage/Family was broken up..

    They came out of the frigg`n woodwork to do me in..

    When I went to visit my Mrs..WBT$ literature was everywhere..

    I was out of the way,my JW relatives could freely preach to my children..

    And..

    Leave all the WBT$ Literature they could carry in the door..

    I`ve talked to other people on JWN,with the same story ..

    ..................... ...OUTLAW

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    " There was no shortage of helpful JW`s when my Marriage/Family was broken up.."

    Hey Outlaw,

    was you wife's entire family JW's ?

    The women in the cong I used to attend had

    been with their unbelieving mates for years

    and were quite well to do, if they left their mates

    their lifestyle would have changed bigtime

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Good Morning WasBlind..

    Some of the Mrs.family were JW`s..My family was all JW`s..

    Both sides were a serious pain in the ass..

    6 months after the Break-up..

    My JW mom helped my wife and her new boyfriend find a nicer place to live..

    They took her magazines and let her preach to my kids..

    20+ years later..Neither my ex or her BF are JW`s..Nor are my children..

    The destruction was all done,in hopes of recruiting my Mrs. and children,into the JW`s..

    ..................... ...OUTLAW

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    " 20+ years later..Neither my ex or her BF are JW`s..Nor are my children.. "

    I'm glad that your children are out , But it's a damn shame what they do to families

    and the pitiful part is the JW's never see the harm they cause

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