WARNING: Try Not to Throw Up In Your Mouth

by headisspinning 35 Replies latest jw friends

  • Mary
    Mary

    headisspinning, you really need to think about this before you attempt to go back. There was another long-time poster on here who had been DF'd for a number of years and who decided to 'return to the vomit' so that he could have a relationship with his family, who are all hard-core Witnesses. The plan was for him to get reinstated and do The Fade which would keep the lines of communication open. His family agreed to this deception (although I often wonder how they imagined Jehovah would view the fact that they were helping a known 'apostate' sneak back into the fold).

    He got reinstated, but to date, has not done The Fade. The reason being, his family holds him as an emotional hostage with the view that: 'If you want our (conditional) love, you have to continue to go to the meetings. We don't give a crap how unhappy you are; if you leave, we'll shun you all over again.' When he said something to his son in law about 'you knew I didn't believe this was the Truth when I got reinstated and hid it' his hypocritial son-in-law---who was made an elder a couple of years ago--arrogantly replied "That was then---this is now". What a sweetheart eh?

    You can't live this sort of life forever without it tearing you apart. I understand the need to have family but just be warned that the scenario you have laid out might not work if your kids are hardcore Witnesses.

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    Attend new congregation for one month (go to ALL the meeting with WT studied in brilliant colours etc.)

    Request reinstatement

    We expect that to be denied

    Continue for two more months

    Request reinstatement again

    IF we are accepted back, attend for one to two months and start the fade.

    SIZEMIK SAID: I have followed a number of your threads and have a reasonable idea of your situation.

    My first concern is that you may not get the re-instatement your looking for in that time-frame. As you probably know, the D/F BOE will be consulted and this may delay things for you considerably . . . you may have to wait a year, maybe longer. I don't wish to be discouraging, only to inquire if you are prepared for this.

    I have to agree with Sizemik. Reinstatement will not likely happen that quickly. [In fact, I'd consider it a miracle if it happens in less than a year.]

    You do realize that the ORIGINAL committee is who makes the decision even if you have moved to a different congregation. The new congregation's elders can make a recommendation for your reinstatement to the original committee, but the committee that disfellowshipped you still has the final say. If they choose to take the "hard line" against you based on the issue that you were involved in collusion (planning to put your spouse away and marry another person's spouse), you will be waiting "many months, a year or even longer" for reinstatement. Consider the followng quotes from the (secret) Elders' Book:

    SHEPHERD THE FLOCK 2010 -- Page 119

    3. The committee should be careful to allow sufficient
    time, perhaps many months, a year, or even
    longer,
    for the disfellowshipped person to prove that
    his profession of repentance is genuine. (od p. 156j
    it-2 p. 771) The committee should be especially cautious
    in some cases. For instance, the wrongdoer
    may have been deceptive, may have secretly practiced
    wrongdoing over a long period of time, or may
    have been repeatedly dealt with judicially in the past
    for the same or other wrongdoing. Quickly reinstating
    such a person may embolden others to commit
    serious sin, as they may feel that little or no
    discipline will be administered. Where there is evidence
    of conspiracy between individuals to put away
    their mates and marry each other, considerable time
    should elapse for them to prove their repentance and
    gain reinstatement.
    -w83 3/15 p. 29. [emphasis added by me]

    SHEPHERDING THE FLOCK 2010 -- Page 120

    7. If the disfellowshipped person has moved,
    a local judicial committee will hear his request for
    reinstatement where he is now attending meetings. 1£
    those elders believe he should be reinstated, they will
    give the judicial committee of the congregation that
    disfellowshipped the person their recommendation.
    They should not let the disfellowshipped one know
    their recommendation; if the other committee does
    not agree, knowing that would only cause him frustration.
    The committee should merely tell him that
    they must correspond with the elders where he was
    disfellowshipped and that he will be informed of the
    decision in due course.
    8. The local judicial committee should not pressure
    the original committee to reinstate the person.
    The elders on the original committee may be aware
    of important factors not apparent to others, so it
    is usually best to respect their judgment. Likewise,
    the original committee should carefully consider the
    recommendation of the other committee. Sufficient
    time may have passed, and the individual may have
    made drastic changes that the elders on the original
    committee have not observed. They should keep in
    mind that the elders making the recommendation
    have met the individual and have had opportunity to
    observe his conduct.

  • moshe
    moshe

    From what I have seen, you won't be able to pull off this "pretend contrition", for more than a few months- it will take years of weekly humiliation to get to first base with the elders and by then your children will be over 18. Between now and the time they turn 18 you will have the opportunity during visitation to show them how happy you are away from the KH- you can do things with them that their JW parents can't- like a real birthday. If you do the fake stuff at the KH, you have to keep your mouth shut about the WT Org, or get exposed as an apostate. I didn't get my children out by sitting in the back row of a KH- no, I lived an honorable life and let them experience life outside the KH as regular kids during their six week summer visitation with me- it only took two summers for them to decide they wanted out of the KH, too. Have some faith in yourself.

  • lifeisgood
    lifeisgood

    Seems like a lot of effort being spent to play games.

    Tell everyone involved the truth and make amends the best way you can and wait for time to heal.

    Children are not vengeful, they might be hurt, but they are not vengeful.

    But, pull a stunt like the one you describe and everyone who knows you is going to know it was a stunt and then what?

    I had to go to several people and make amends for things I had done. They all forgave me over time.

  • headisspinning
    headisspinning

    A big thank you to all of you that have responded. I have read through your comments and I am reconsidering our plan. My kids are visiting for the next couple of days so I can't spend much time on the site. But I think I made some progress with my son who is 14.

    I mentioned to him that I had read the recent WT encouraging children to get baptized. I told him that I have never felt that was the right thing to do and I cautioned him NOT to rush into it or allow himself to be pressured. I told him that we all got baptized very young and then ended up getting into trouble and having judicial committees. I told him to look at how hard things have been since I have been disfellowshipped... I told him it's really not something to take lightly and that he has to be 100% sure. Also, I reminded him that Jesus didn't get baptized 'til age 30. He didn't say a whole lot but I could tell he totally understood what I was saying and that made me feel pretty good.

    Baby steps... right?

  • Broken Promises
    Broken Promises

    Yes, you said the right thing to your son. I think part of the reason so many young people are leaving the JWs as soon as they can, is because they see how their parents' lives have played out. I was born in too, and came from a really strong family, but the next generation can see that the new system is still "just round the corner" after all these years.

    As Moshe said, live your life honestly and try to be happy. Your kids observe so much more than you realise.

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