do you want contact from the other side?
if you believe strongly in god, maybe no demons bug you because that would CONVINCE you about god.
no proof keeps things relying on faith and we all know how strong faith can and can't be.
Video - Jehovah's Witnesses and Their Unseen Adversaries
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sabastious
if you believe strongly in god, maybe no demons bug you because that would CONVINCE you about god.
I don't mean any disrespect, but I have done away with that kind of thinking and labled it "convoluted: unusable"
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greendawn
The book of Enoch is not a canonical book of the Bible it is one of the apocryphal books. The apostle Paul mentions that the fallen angels have much influence over the world but this influence is exercised through telepathic means, the demons cannot materialise and operate directly upon this world or operate eg by moving objects around or physically assaulting people. Those who say they saw or experienced this happen were hallucinating. So what is the fear about demons all about? The worst the demons can do is cause severe mental disturbances or even insanity to those that willingly invite them in.
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PublishingCult
do you want contact from the other side?
It would very nice to see some sort of evidence for the existence of ANY spirit creature. What IS the "other side"? Have you been there? What can you tell us of this invisible realm?
if you believe strongly in god, maybe no demons bug you because that would CONVINCE you about god.
This statement is highly contradictive. Could you rephrase, please?
no proof keeps things relying on faith and we all know how strong faith can and can't be.
So an almighty god who expects me to believe in him, worship him, serve him, thinks it is wise to withhold any and all evidence of his existence simply to test whether I will put blind faith in him based on a man or men telling me I should?
What if a man came to you and said, "a very powerful rich and generous man I know wants to give you a job." The offer of payment is significant in relation to the work required, and you accept this job offer.
Two weeks go by and you have done all that was asked by the intermediary. You are not paid, and so you inquire to the intermediary about the agreed upon pay. The man says, "your employer loves you and appreciates your hard work and payment shall be forthcoming very soon".
You believe him.
Two more weeks go by and you are getting suspicious. You ask the intermediary about your pay for the work you have been doing. Again, he assures you that your employer is aware of your situation, is very powerful, rich, generous, and influential, knows that you are hungry and homeless, he cares for you, and if you just hang in there, payment will be coming soon.
Another week goes by. You approach the intermediary with the same issues. But this time, however, you want to talk to your very powerful, influential, rich and generous employer about your pay man to man. The intermediary makes excuses- he is currently on a cloud in outter space watching, loving you, caring about you, and he simply asks that you have faith that he exists, that he loves you, and will do what he told me to tell you he will do for you.
You are now very suspicious. What? I demand proof that this employer of mine even exists and is not something or someone YOU made up to get me to work without pay.
How much longer would you continue doing the work asked of you? How long would it really take a rational person to figure out that no proof means this employer most likely doesn't even exist in the first place? Who, in their right mind, would continue believing he does exist and not walk away in utter disgust at the hoax?
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garyneal
I remember in my early 20's reading a book I ordered from the crazy TV preacher about how the UFO's were actually demons preparing to bring horrors on the Earth in the last days. I read it, not all of it, but enough of it. I remember reading that those near death experiences were all hoaxes by the devil in an attempt to trick us into going to Hell. Since every NDE I've heard of consisted of a person going down a tunnel unto a bright light, the book suggest that the bright light was indeed the devil being transformed into a being of light.
Well, one night I had what could be categorized as a lucid dream where I actually felt myself being lifted out of my bed and pulled to the floor in an attempt to drag me down to Hell. I was scared, I called out for help, my mom came in my room and talked to me asking what was wrong. When I told her about the book and what it said, she just told me that I needed to stop reading that garbage.
Got to love mom, she was able to see through the religious nonsense when ever I could not.
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sizemik
Nearly all of the "adversaries" the WT points to in order to strike fear. . . Satan, Demons, Beasts, sin, worldly people, mind-diseased apostates, temptation, Armageddon, God, love of riches, lack of faith, etc etc . . . are invisible . . . saves them the trouble of having to prove they exist.
Sheer repitition however, can convince people that they really exist . . . and induce an extraordinary level of fear.
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nancy drew
It's amazing how much fear is instilled in us along with the devil fear is the idea that it is somehow wrong even dangerous to question god because you will be punished. I was not raised a jw but even in cathocism you burned either forever or for just a little while till you were done.
The real issue of what is really going on here is difficult to approach till you step out of your culture/religion and stop looking for what you may or may not want which is difficult to do because of all the fears hammered into you from the start.
You have to accept that whatever is really happening here may not be good or it may be way different than we ever imagined. I'm attempting a fresh start evidence based search wherever it might go but sometimes it's hard because we've been conditioned to believe that demanding evidence is a weakness or a sin and will incur punishment for lack faith. But to ever find real answers you have to step away from those fears and not let others stop you.