Is God Responsible For Bad Things that Happen?

by What Now? 45 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • tec
    tec

    I don't think God is responsible for bad things that happen. I think we are - humanity. If you don't believe in God, then you believe that anyway, so it shouldn't be too hard to grasp. We're the ones who make the decisions that make this world turn. If we all set aside what we wanted for ourselves, and instead focused on getting others what they need, this world would be a more humane place. As a whole, we don't do that. Can you imagine how much policing God would have to do, and continue to do over and again? Even the smallest careless act can have long-term repercussions unless amends are made.

    But God did tell us how to live. He even showed us, sending His Son. Some hear Him and do their best to change and follow. Some go their own way. Some do the things he asked of us, naturally. What people want for themselves can get in the way of following Him, and so can lack of faith in God to keep the promise of a better place. But it is right there in front of us. We choose what to do with that.

    As for disease, hardship, death, natural disasters... those come with the flesh and physical world. We weren't promised an easy life, we were told it would be hard, and it is. But the flesh counts for nothing in comparison to the spirit. Faith and hope give us the strength to get through suffering - proving right there, at least to me, that the spirit is far more powerful than the flesh. In the worst of times, Christ is a comfort. He certainly is to me.

    In truth, I think God can take bad things that happen and bring good out of them. I don't think He is sitting idly by anything.

    Tammy

  • prophecor
    prophecor

    Time, chance and circumstance. I can't blame Jehovah for the 3000 who lost thier lives on 911. Nor for the thousands who just lost thier lives in the Japan, China, Haiti earthquakes. Nor for the ones who will tragically lose their lives tonight in Afghanitan, or traffic accidents that will occur hours from now, or the deaths of those who just breathed their last hours ago.

    God views all life as sacred, but He at this moment has a hands off policy for most of us, as we meander out here in the wilderness. We, many will die as man always has, but there exist a future where we will all be resurrected to truly face our maker. We will have that wonderful opportunity to experience life as God originally intended for us.

    If you go about wondering as to The Creators love for mankind, as it pertains to his hands being personally involved in the life of every single solitary person on earth, you will run yourself ragged as he would need to step in to save, each and every person about to experience loss, pain, death or tragedy. It's mostly life. ( Job 14:1)

    Satan's world will be allowed to run it's course with God having the last word. We puny humans can't see the proverbial forrest for the bloody trees. God can't be called in as if he were some kinda' Superman in order to save us from the ways of the world or ourselves. He can and does choose to turn our lives according to his purpose, however and those who endeavor to cultivate a relationship with him will experience his care and concern in varying degrees. He's no "I Dream of Jeanie" type God. It's hard down here on Earth, yes. But once we get beyond the suffering in this material world, when we either survive this systems end or are resurrected to the "World Tomorrow" we will come to understand why God allowed many of us to suffer. Like waking up from a bad dream.

    And I believe God will be more than just when it comes to dealing with resurrected mankind. He will take all of our individual situations into account. We believe we're on the fast track regarding knowledge and technology. We have yet, however to even scratch the surface. Hang in There Baby!!!

  • Nickolas
    Nickolas

    Your question, as some of your respondent's answers illustrate quite well, goes to the much larger question of the existence of God. There has been a great deal written on the subject, yeas and nays, and almost invariably the existence of bad things happening to people factors into the equation. It is often cited that the existence of evil, in particular but not restricted to natural disasters that consume millions of lives, counts strongly against the likelihood that God exists. The term for this is Theodicy, which is the vindication of divine providence against the very real existence of horrible things happening to people. It is the kind of thing that keeps thinking theologians awake at night. The Oxford Companion to Philosophy cites the existence of evil as the most powerful objection to a belief in the existence of God, in particular a good God. That leaves room for the existence of a sometimes nasty God like the one depicted in the Old Testament. If you consider Richard Dawkin's sentiments in that regard:

    The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

    then you might find an answer to your question - which would be "Yes". Or, you may decide (or even hope) that God doesn't exist after all.

  • transhuman68
    transhuman68

    There is a whole philosophy lesson here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil

  • poopsiecakes
    poopsiecakes

    When you look around and examine human nature, a very simple truth is very clear - there are people who do good things and there are people who do bad things. In my opinion and experience, the people who do good things far outweigh the ones who do bad. When a friend or a stranger does a good deed to you, thank them and not god. When you do a good deed for a friend or stranger, give yourself a pat on the back. It feels good, so keep doing it. It seems like whenever good things happen, those who believe in god want to thank him and it diminishes the goodness to be found in human nature. The same way that believers in god don't blame him when bad things happen, I don't think they should thank him when good things happen (especially when it's a trivial thing like an oscar or an emmy but that's another conversation). Things happen and life moves along. And nobody controls the weather and the tragedies that ensue because of that.

    If you take the bible out of the equation (just because that's the fundamental reason most people believe in god today), there is no reason to believe in god whatsoever and realizing that we're on our own to make our own decisions about whether to do good or bad is actually quite freeing. Most people choose the good, no matter what the headlines say, and I've been lucky enough to have some very good people in my life. Of course, I've been on the giving end of some of that good as well. It feels good so I keep doing it and I don't feel any less inclined to do good things for others since I ceased believing in a god. In fact, it makes me want to do more good to others - even if they've done me wrong. That's the true beauty of the human spirit and that's what I belive in.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    God's allowing gives me pause. I suffered agonizing facial pain for decades. Lost all. My time was spent curled up in a fetal position while I tried to distance my mind from my body. The suicide rate is 95%. It was utter catastrophe. Many people said it was God's will because I was supposed to witness how good God was by not being bummed out that I hovered near death or insanity. The fury I had.

    The Holocaust always bothered me. I read a lot of the suffering literature throughout history. Since I was Episcopalian, I volunteered at a dynamic cathedral so that I would feel safe and protected inside the church. An author who worked there pointed out that Jesus promised us bad things would happen to us if we were His followers. Jesus promised to be present with us. Thereafter, I could relate to Jesus because he faced his physical agony and I assume he was not convinced of his godhead on the cross. His body endured the unendurable. God, hanging out in Heaven, had no idea what wracked my body and mind.

    I spent years reading about suffering. Some things were helpful. Jung's Problem with Job, Job, itself, was so powerful. C.S. Lewis, A Grief Observed. What I found reassuring what that they all grappled with suffering and God and no one came with a definitive answer. God created us. What lesson is he teaching us about free will? The Witnesses make no sense. Their solution is so reminiscent of other positions. They acknowledge that humanity was created by God and that we are good. If God created so flawed that He has to teach us a lesson,I submit he was one hell of a bad Creator. Human suffering is the one thing that keeps me from having decent faith in God. A puny God allows it. I refuse to accept suffering as a human condition. I may not have a rational reason for this view. It is a gut level. My humanity goes to archetypes and racial memories in my very body, not my mind. God created me with a brain that process information that is repulsed by suffering.

    Maybe acute pain is necessary. Lepers don't have pain. As someone who endured for decades and found no satisfactory answers, I say God should know better. C.S. Lewis wrote a book called The Problem of Pain. I did not know much about Lewis when I first read it. Assuming he lived in London, I wanted to immediately take a taxi to the airport to spit in his face. He was so damn glib about pain being good. La te da. My plans were scrapped when I found he was deceased. Many years later, he married and lost his wife to a horrid bout with cancer. He was moved to write A Grief Observed. His pain is so palpable. What a difference.

    The author of Job never answered the suffering question, IMO. Who created the crocodile? prose is side stepping the issue. Yes, you are God. You have the power to inflict pain and humans are puny. Why create us, then? I felt very good about being part of the human condition of being angry with God and demanding better. Let the Bethelites go into the cancer wards and truly interact with people. Visit the children's cancer wards. What lesson is God teaching them? Don't let me start about Adam. I am not Adam. First, I don't see Adam's sin and second, sin as hereditary. I've made my choices. Adam made his--and blamed Eve.

  • steve2
    steve2

    This question whets religionists' appetite - and their sucker-prone audiences - for everlasting baby food. You don;t need to chew, just swallow.

    This is a dumb-headed and ultimately unanswerable question - in short, the type of question that brings out the expert in believers that owes everything to gullibility and nothing to evidence and reason.

    The JW answer to this silly question is simplistic and nonsensical - it vies with almost every other religious explanation about God's responsibility. Meanwhile, the guy at the centre of the question is strangely absent which, interestingly, explains at least partially why a blithering verbose group of self-appointed spokespeople are never in short supply when questions arise about God's responsibility.

  • sizemik
    sizemik

    Epicurus posed the questions which have only ever drawn excuses for God . . . never a reasonable answer . . .

    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Atheists often use this quote to prove there is no God. For me it simply asks why he has relegated himself to a simple observer of man's existence . . . the "to prove his point" WT answer doesn't cut the ice with me . . . I'm still waiting for his answer. When I get it . . . then he might be God

  • cofty
    cofty
    As for disease, hardship, death, natural disasters... those come with the flesh and physical world. We weren't promised an easy life, we were told it would be hard, and it is. But the flesh counts for nothing in comparison to the spirit.

    Sounds like meaningless words to me, whistling in the dark to make suffering seem less significant.

    What exactly is this "spirit" of which you speak?

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog

    Tammy

    We're the ones who make the decisions that make this world turn.

    Who is your God again?

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