Is God Responsible For Bad Things that Happen? (page 3)

tec

Who is your God again?

The one who allows free will and lets us make choices and mistakes.

Tammy

Pika_Chu

If I were to simply stand by and watch my daughter get savagely beaten, when I could easily stop the attack, how am I not responsible?

In my worldview, God doesn't exist. Therefore, he's not responsible for anything.

Simply put, $hit happens. We're all going to die, and we're the lucky ones. Most people are never born.

Or, we can blame invisible people and look to magical answers for comfort.

Leaving WT I agree. Unicorns aren't responsible for happiness, trolls aren't responsible for bad things happening. God is responsible for neither.

leavingwt

Tammy:

The one who allows free will and lets us make choices and mistakes.

Calvinists believe that sinful humans are not capable of choosing God.

PSacramento

Some view God as the creator of ALL things, that would include evil.

Of course "bad things" is a human concept, a hurricane is a hurricane if it cause no damage and a natural disater if it causes damage.

While the bible says that God is the source of light and there is no darkeness in him, we still have to reconcile that with the OT and the passages like the ones that DD quoted.

For some the bible is a progressive revelation of God, cumulating in his Son, Jesus, the full revelation of God and as such, the "bad stuff" in the oT is just an incrrect view of God by a people that "didn't get it" yet, but for others God does what God does and owes no one an explanation.

People find comfort in BOTH views, to each their own.

For those that don't beleive in God, this argument is pointless since there is no point to existence other then existence.

Good and bad are relative.

So, is God responsible for Bad things, in short, Yes, either by direct cause or by ommsion of action.

Should these be of concern to believers? Yes.

Should this be of concern to those that don't believe in God? Nope.

Should those that don't believe in God leave this theological question to those that do? Yes.

Deputy Dog

Tammy

The one who... lets us make choices and mistakes.

God knows I sin and make "mistakes". That's not the same as making this world turn.

leavingwt

Calvinists believe that sinful humans are not capable of choosing God.

But, we believe they are "capable" of choosing what cult to join.

Nickolas

Should those that don't believe in God leave this theological question to those that do? Yes.

Perhaps the question, then, should have been posed in a forum that doesn't include people who don't believe in God. I think the Watchtower has one that does a good job of screening every single comment and censoring those it does not like.

leavingwt

But, we believe they are "capable" of choosing what cult to join.

Would this choice be considered God's will?

tec

Calvinists believe that sinful humans are not capable of choosing God.

Don't Calvinists also believe in predestination for all? No one really has a choice? I'm not sure, but I think I remember that. In either case, I am not a Calvinist. (obviously, or I don't think I could have made the statement that I made )

God knows I sin and make "mistakes". That's not the same as making this world turn.

Our sins and mistakes have repercussions though. Some bigger than others, and those have consequences as well. (butterfly effect type thing) That's what I meant by "making this world turn".

Can God take our actions and turn the consequences of them toward his will? Yes, I believe so.

Tammy

Deputy Dog

Tammy

Our sins and mistakes have repercussions though. Some bigger than others, and those have consequences as well. (butterfly effect type thing) That's what I meant by "making this world turn".

Our sins and mistakes are put there by God to teach believers or to conform us to the image of his son. ALL things work together for Good to those who are called according to his purpose. Romans 8:28,29

That's what I meant by "making this world turn".

I knew what you meant, and I do not agree.

tec

I knew what you meant, and I do not agree.

For some odd, strange, completely out-of-the-blue reason, this does not surprise me ;)

Peace,

Tammy

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