Is Rev 5:11-14 Worship or Obeisance? (page 12)

designs

Please have him show up sometime.... just sayin

godrulz

He showed up at Church Sunday as we worshipped and exalted Him. His presence was palpable. We cannot rush His Second Coming and believers long for it (but unbelievers should fear it).

designs

Bingo!! The Cult Leader admits the Fear factor, oh thank you thank you. That's what the Trinity is really all about. Biggest m#%%^&&*(*Fng Cult on the planet.

The trinity is about worshipping God in spirit and truth as He really is and as how He has revealed Himself. It separates YHWH from false gods and shows that God is relational, personal, loving, communicative, etc., even before creation.

designs

The Trinity and the followers of the Cult murdered more innocent lives, destroyed more civilizations than probably any other religion to have ever come along.

godrulz

atheism takes the cake...

Crazyguy

I thought this a good thread to bump,,, and mention something that most christians and JW's miss. Jesus and His father are not part of a trinity in the original ideas of the NT bible writers, like the JW's say, yet they to are wrong. Jesus is depicted as the one that rises up defeats Evil, Chaos the devil the dragon and is elevated to god like status just like Baal of Ugarit and Marduk Of Babylon (and others) and they too defeated the Dragon. Even with all the changes the JW's make in their bible using the word obeisance instead of worship, it clear in the book of Revelations in the last chapter when Jesus becomes the Alpha and Omega. So like Marduk or Baal he is not replacing the original creator god but is exalted to God above all others for his act of defeating the Dragon.

Wonderment

Crazyguy: "Even with all the changes the JW's make in their bible using the word obeisance instead of worship, it is clear in the book of Revelation in the last chapter when Jesus becomes the Alpha and Omega."

Clear?

Professor emeritus at Westmont College Robert H. Gundry understands it a bit differently (as it appears in a footnote to Rev. 1.8 of his Commentary on the New Testament ):

" Since alpha and omega are the first and last letters in the Greek alphabet, saying ‘I am the alpha and the omega’ is like saying in English ‘I am the A and the Z.’ … This language described God the Father in 1:4 and therefore identifies ‘the Lord God’ with him here too [in 1:8] (as clearly also in 4:8; 21:22)."

He, as you did, used the word ‘clear,’ but he sees the words "the alpha and the omega" as a reference to "God the Father," not the Son.

Is Rev 5:11-14 Worship or Obeisance?

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