Spirits/Entities - A question for all. (page 3)

hippikon

Nemesis:
Have you ever talked about this with a doctor.

I would consider investigating "Tempotral Lobe" activity.

hippikon

Adonai438:
Sorry to say you have just been added to my idiot list

With regards to the Bible's stance on spirits:
They do exist. Yes humans after they die still are conscious but they are in either heaven--with the Lord or in Tartarous-Hell-- awaiting Judgement

Been to any good witch doctors lately?
I think it's irrisponsable and evil to sujest anything that distracts from proper treatment.

Well intentiond "religious" can do so much harm in the community.

"God was evolutions biggest mistake"

Hippikon

Nemesis

Hippikon:

Have you ever talked about this with a doctor. I would consider investigating "Tempotral Lobe" activity.

Yes I have seen the Doc. And had tests, and they are all normal. The only one left was an E.E.G. I had that a few weeks ago, but won’t get the results for a few weeks. One thing that was funny when getting it, after the technician had put the electrodes on my head with the gel, he said sit back and relax, and dimmed the lights. He said close your eyes, and try and relax. He then kept saying, “try and relax and stop thinking too much”, I replied that I wasn’t thinking and was relaxed. He a few minutes later then said: "can you close your eyes again", I replied "they already are closed" and I hadn’t opened them since he first asked me! He said the readings looked like I had my eyes open, which made me laugh out loud.

I had to explain while relaxed—I can see a blue neon like aura, and white lights that dart about. My hands also go very hot, and buzz. My eyes are fine, as is my blood and other tests. Anyhow, I will find out in a few weeks if I have any weird brain activity. But if it was spiritual I’m sure it would also show up and be misinterpreted—would it not? A bit like catch 22!

Xander

1) Yes, the doctors are a good idea. They might be able to help

2) If they don't, I'd go find a witch (or Shaman, if you have Native Americans who offer their assistance in such matters handy). They can usually help with this kind of thing.

A fanatic is one who, upon losing sight of his goals, redoubles his efforts.
--George Santayana

Derrick

Nemesis, as someone who has experienced spirit activity and the phenomenon surrounding the presence of spirits (such as seeing an orange hurl across the room from a bowl, and other strange occurrences that were seen, heard, felt; strange dreams of events in the near future that occurred exactly as in the dream; distortions of time; and other phenomenon usually associated with the paranormal), I have stopped talking about these experience for the most part. People just don't want to hear anything but social "pleasantries" and affirmations that the world is an "ordinary" and predictable place. These same people find it fascinating to hear about others' experiences on television (such as the Discovery Channel and PBS, to name a few networks that chronicle the paranormal and supernatural). So long as it's at a safe distance, they're okay. Bring this reality up close and personal in the form of telling them you personally experienced it, and suddenly it crosses what I call the "panic threshhold" in humans. This threshhold is similar to when early homosapiens in a jungle, who consider the stars appearing and disappearing in the canopy above them, entered an open field and gazed upon a sea of stars above, for the very first time. A mixture of awe and panic occurs when this threshhold is crossed, leading to immediate anger, denial and a feeling it cannot be real.

Yes, I believe spirit entities exist. My personal experiences have also lead to my questioning whether the Watchtower Society's interpretation is correct of some scriptures that state the dead are unconscious. Did the Bible writer truly mean to convey that all those who die are unconscious, or was he merely observing that a dead corpse that decays to nothing, is obviously no longer a living person (and consists of nothing more than unconscious tissue and bone)? In other words, if the Bible writer believed a separate spirit body that could be similar to angelic spirit bodies is what "animates" a human body -- like the driver of an automobile "animates" the automotive machinery to drive it places -- then perhaps that writer meant something else entirely? It's difficult to know, especially when one has observed real-life phenomenon that directly contradicts a literalist interpretation that the dead are unconscious as they await a resurrection. Are the dead "non-existent" except in "Jehovah's memory" as the Society teaches? Or do we remain conscious, some of us deciding to remain on Earth for a time before finally going to be with God before our resurrections? This fundamental question is a no-brainer for JWs who have never experienced supernatural phenomenon. Just like it's easy to be a skeptic who denies the existence of extra-terrestrial life until one has personally seen evidence up close.

Derrick

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

-- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)

ghenrymt

Nemesis,

I doubt that you need a medical doctor to diagnose or cure this for you. If you are going to pay for someone's help, I suggest you contact the Spiritual Emergence Network via http://www.ciis.edu/comserv/sen.html, or perhaps find a shamanic teacher to guide you.

Contact with spirits has not been a feature of my life, though it is an aspect of human existence that I am sorry to have missed out on thus far. If life rewards me with the measure of freedom necessary to cultivate spirituality in that sense, I hope to take advantage of the freedom.

Since I left the Witnesses, I have fallen in with several people (one an ex-Witness herself) who practice shamanism. They are fine folks, and very very far from crazy, or in need of anyone's "help."

Love and regards,
George

ghenrymt

You can write to me if you want to discuss these matters outside of the forum - ghenrymt "at" hotmail.com (you know, replace the word "at" and the spaces with the appropriate symbol).

George

refiners fire

hi nemesis.
this is a subject that interests me greatly, if you ever feel like emailing anyone and discussing details Id be glad to hear from you.
I think youll find "Saint Satan' has similar interests also.

TMS

SusanHere stated it succinctly:

When it comes to spirits, visions, etc. it is a very simple matter. Those who have had them, believe in them. Those who haven't, usually mock those who say they have.

Very true. . . . .

TMS

Before my wife and I married, she lived with her grandmother in a community noted for witchcraft, voodoo, cursings and spirit activity.

My wife's grandmother had lost a daughter, Aurora to illness. Aurora, a couple of years before her death, had lost an infant child.

The small front room of the grandmother's house contained a large mirrored dresser with a picture of Aurora's baby in front of the mirror. During the night, drawers in the dresser would open and shut. A baby's cry could be heard clearly. Sometimes the room light would turn on. Once, when my wife got up during the night to check on the noises, she passed the tall dresser just an instant before it tipped and fell face down on the wood floor.

When my future wife cried out to her grandmother about these goings on, grandma said not to worry. It was just Aurora coming back to see her baby.

TMS

Spirits/Entities - A question for all.

"God was evolutions biggest mistake"

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