Criminal , new US ally

by Norm 125 Replies latest jw friends

  • IslandWoman
    IslandWoman

    Focus,

    Ask the few surviving North American Native Americans - they have retained records of their history - who were the by far the most cruel, barbarous and murderous:
    (a) the settlers and their Government
    (b) the British troops
    (c) the French troops

    The answer to your quiz is "A". The EUROPEAN Settlers and their respective Colonial and New World Governments BACKED UP by their Colonial and New World Government Troops.

    It was the European settlers who betrayed the trust of the North and South American Indian and it was European slave traders who brought slave ships to our shores! If America is anything at all; it is the progeny of Europe and of its Colonial Era. As a descendant of American Indians I take affront at any attempt to avoid responsibility here by in effect switching political masks!

    IW

  • IslandWoman
    IslandWoman

    Seeker,

    Thanks for the reply.

    IW

  • larc
    larc

    Focus,

    Well, you sure knocked people up side the head and got their attention. I read Norm's post when it first went up, and did not respond to the debate that ensued. I have some knowledge of history, but not to the level of detail to make an educated response.

    This being said, here is my view of history. From the earliest history of the human race until the present day, it has been a history of the strong dominating, enslaving and/or killing the weak. This is true of small tribes, nation-states, and countries. Now, if the oppresor enlists God on his side, this creates the kind of fanatic warriers you need to win. Many wars are fought in the name of God, but they all have their roots in money or resources, whether it be gold, oil, coal, or water, etc. While stealing is considered wrong within a group, it is common place between groups.

    While people have a romantic notion regarding native american's, they were not excempt from this phenomena among their tribes before the white man got here.

  • Focus
    Focus

    larc wrote:

    Well, you sure knocked people up side the head and got their attention.

    Now, whatever could have given you that peculiar notion, larc?

    The utter truth of Norm's point is what produced the rage in the Idiotic Class and the Impotent Class. I was merely an innocent bystander - indeed, a victim! Disturbed from my catnap.

    For the country that MADE Osama bin-Laden and MADE Saddam Hussein and MADE and PROPPED UP any number of other murderous, barbaric, extremist crackpot dictators and terrorist regimes all round the globe while playing "World Power", NOW GOES ON TO ALLY ITSELF with yet another genocidal criminal.

    And those who point this out are criticized and attacked by the Ignorant Chattering Class!

    Now, what is any self-respecting leopard snoozing in the tree above the noisemakers to do other than to gently tap the the heads of these misbegotten miscreants?

    From the earliest history of the human race until the present day, it has been a history of the strong dominating, enslaving and/or killing the weak. This is true of small tribes, nation-states, and countries. Now, if the oppresor enlists God on his side, this creates the kind of fanatic warriers you need to win. Many wars are fought in the name of God, but they all have their roots in money or resources, whether it be gold, oil, coal, or water, etc."
    Correct. The only modification I would make to the above is to append to "weak" the words "or peaceful".

    While stealing is considered wrong within a group, it is common place between groups.
    Surely so. Poor alien resident... The Jews were not alone in having their "religious" texts reassure them that stealing from, and even the murder of, people outside their "group" was not just wrong but actually commendable.

    While people have a romantic notion regarding native american's, they were not excempt from this phenomena among their tribes before the white man got here.
    Surely so! But - not that you suggest this - this fact in no away excuses white man from the genocide, cheating and grand theft he perpetrated upon them in both the Americas, on a geographic scale hitherto unprecedented since recorded history began.

    With Power comes Responsibility - and an absolute requirement for Wisdom. Else, better for all concerned not to have the Power at all.

    The Brute Class and the Thug Class who murdered the lawful inhabitants of the Americas are still much in evidence, and their MORAL OFFSPRING may be found today polluting this noticeboard and other places.

    But - be hopeful. Thanks to the soothing ministrations provided by myself and by others, they may as yet come to such senses as they still possess!

    --
    Focus
    (Bagheera Class)

  • Focus
    Focus

    IslandWoman wrote:

    Focus,[..]The answer to your quiz is "A".

    Correct.
    Note that the troops stopped backing up the settlers - the Great American Tax Evasion Scheme saw to that!

    It was the European settlers who betrayed the trust of the North and South American Indian
    Of course true, except not quite the "settlers" in the case of the poor native South Americans, who - except for those so protected by the rain forests that they eluded the blade and the musket for a while - had it even worse... Their gold-seeking Hispanic invaders dispensed with waiting for settler-initiated genocide - the Conquistadors (i.e. TROOPS, not settlers - though it soon became blurred) launched straight into it without any further ado or delay.

    and it was European slave traders who brought slave ships to our shores! If America is anything at all; it is the progeny of Europe and of its Colonial Era.
    Absolutely and utterly correct.

    And this is a case of the bastard progeny striving to be even more hateful than its wicked ancestors!

    As a descendant of American Indians I take affront at any attempt to avoid responsibility here by in effect switching political masks
    If that was directed at me, it must be based on a complete misreading of my words.

    --
    Focus
    (Taught to HATE by the Professionals at HATING. Class)

  • Focus
    Focus

    patio34 wrote:

    Focus, I read your sarcastic reply. You DO have a bent for it [..] smart ass.

    Such exploration as you feel driven toward regarding my bent, my ass and any connection therebetwixt is best left for the thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=21751&site=3 where such things seem to be being discussed, and the young fantasist Xena can't quite seem to lose her rag in her pursuit of myself.

    it seems you are correct mostly
    You do not have to keep thanking me, Pat. Really, it is fine. More fruitful, and far more interesting (for me and even possibly for others), would be to try to explain why you inserted "mostly". So, what are the bits that I wrote with which you have problems? Please excuse and omit mention of my poor writing style, sundry grammatical errors, less-than-perfect delivery etc. - I mean WHAT FACTS, ANALYSIS or CONCLUSIONS of mine are disagreed with, disputed or doubted?

    --
    Focus
    (To fight Injustice is not a duty - it is a PRIVILEGE! Class)

  • patio34
    patio34

    LOL Focus!

    You do not have to keep thanking me, Pat. Really, it is fine.

    You took my comments out of context about your being a smart ass. Should have said 'aleck.' Besides, i'm female and have no interest in a male's posterior (except an occasional glance [8>]).

    But, i'm not discussing stuff with you anymore because you're rude, remember? I forgot myself, due to your charm and wit. But i have to rally to my original statement and resist your magnetic posts.

    I hope you have a great day. Btw, what country do you live in, if you don't mind my asking? I'll just read your reply, but i'm not discussing it!

    Pat

  • IslandWoman
    IslandWoman

    Focus,

    If that was directed at me, it must be based on a complete misreading of my words.

    LOL, if you say so!!

    Hey, I noticed your "Bagheera Class" sign off to Larc. I think of you more as a "Cheshire Cat Class"!

    I don't know why really, maybe it's your ability to help things along while seemingly causing havoc on the way to ...... wherever it is we are all going, individually or collectively.

    Take Care,
    IW

  • bigboi
    bigboi

    If Britain and France hadn't acted like Hitler's bitches for 5 yrs preceeding his invasion of Poland, WWII might never have happened. I think it's ludicrous to try to put some blame on the US for not coming into the war sooner. Why not let the Euros slug it out amongst themselves and then come in for a relatively easy cleanup? Besides it wasn't the US that had mired the World in it's mercantilist policies for the previous 300 yrs.

    ONE...

    bigboi

  • gambler
    gambler

    Focus you proved my point.I dont care how the us veiws china but how the rest of the world veiws it.They are more concerned how the US wipes their ass than china killing its people.The statement that the US has created more commies and terorists is ridiculous.I will admit the US has shared in its share of terorist building but comunists,please.Yeah , we created the soviet union and the billion plus chinese were all born over here in the US and we shiped them over to asia and founded the republic of china.I am sorry your majesty focus if I, a lowly peasent sound unworthy to his king.But I desepertly need your all wise and all knowing aproval.

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