I faked time. I falsified the records. How accurate do you think everybody really is with their time? Nobody working full time has any business getting 70 hours a month.
How Have you Counted your time for Pioneering?
by jehu or jehonadab 111 Replies latest watchtower scandals
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still thinking
Yes they do have that right Teary....and it is unfortunate for that child if the parent happens to belong to a mind controlling cult that is happy to put their lives in danger to support a money making publishing company.
So you really cannot criticize a parent for trying to instill a certain religious faith in their child -- it is their prerogative as the ones who gave life to that child in the first place.
You can if the parents are willing to endanger their childs life because of their personal belief...just because they gave them life does not give them the right to endanger it. They don't own it.
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Teary Oberon
No, you got that mixed up. It is:
Nobody who lies, fakes time and falsifies records has any business dedicating 70 hours to the preaching work, or doing any preaching at all for that matter.
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Teary Oberon
"it is unfortunate for that child if the parent happens to belong to a mind controlling cult"
Singer's mind control theories were debunked back in the 80's. You should get with the times. The rest of your assertions are just value judgments on your part, which don't mean much from a factual point of view. Teary knows people who would also say that it is cruel and unethical to raise a child as Jewish. He also knows people who would say that it is cruel and unethical to raise a child as a Mormon, Catholic, Muslim, Baptist, ect. It is all rather relative. You know atheists make the argument that is is harmful for parents to raise their childen in ANY religion.
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MrFreeze
Your right Teary, so how come when I explained to the elders that I would not be able to meet the time requirements they refused to let me quit pioneering? That's right. They didn't care if I got the hours. They just wanted to be able to say one of their MS was a pioneer.
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still thinking
Well Teary....I am not an atheist...but in this instance I would be inclined to agree with the atheists you use an example. They may have a point.
Are you trying to tell me that JW's are NOT a mind controlling cult?
The rest of your assertions are just value judgments on your part, which don't mean much from a factual point of view.
Yes, they are my opinions, just as what you say are your opinions. The only fact you have put forth, is that you believe your opinions to be fact.
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mrquik
Take the pressure off yourself. Make it up. It's all worthless anyway. Who's going to believe you after crying "Wolf" for a century. Life is not be wasted on fruitless endeavors. Try sleeping in on Saturdays. Trust me, you'll be glad you did.
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Teary Oberon
"Well Teary....I am not an atheist...but in this instance I would be inclined to agree with the atheists you use an example. They may have a point."
So you are saying that parents should have no right to teach their children the religious faith of their choosing?
"Are you trying to tell me that JW's are NOT a mind controlling cult?"
No, Teary is saying that using the term "mind control cult" is disengenuous, because there really isn't any such thing as "mind control" (those theories were largest invalidated back in the 80's). It is not really a technical term for anything in particular -- it is simply a pejorative, in the same category as "that stupid, make-believe religion that I don't agree with."
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still thinking
I think the term 'mind control' applies to them quite nicely....
Mind control (also known as brainwashing, coercive persuasion, mind abuse, thought control, or thought reform) refers to a process in which a group or individual "systematically uses unethically manipulative methods to persuade others to conform to the wishes of the manipulator(s), often to the detriment of the person being manipulated". [ 1 ] The term has been applied to any tactic, psychological or otherwise, which can be seen as subverting an individual's sense of control over their own thinking, behavior, emotions or decision making.
I couldn't care less that singer lost her case...so what?
Take shunning....there is an example of an unethically manipulative method of control to persuade others to conform to the manipulators (WTS) wishes. Does this behaviour not mess with peoples minds? The list could go on and on and on and on......
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still thinking
And no...I am not saying they don't have the right...I am saying it is unfortunate for the children if their parents belong to a cultish organisation like JW's.