Who arrested Jesus and why was Peter not arrested for slicing someone ear.off?

by jam 40 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    It is not clear who the soldiers were. The gospels, written much later, to win roman support for Christianity place the blame on the Jews. I assume it is the Temple guard. Another case of things not written clearly. Does it say at what point custody was handed over to the Romans? I wonder how common it was for the Jewish authorities to transfer a case to Pilate. Pilate who was recalled to Rome for unconsciable acts. Imagine being recalled to Rome for being too evil. The gospels make him not half bad.

    Wow, we have an eyewitness who can fill in the details not mentioned in the Bible. Aren't we fortunate?

    When I was in very bad pain, I read countless books on Jesus and healing. They note that he never did anything like undo a beheading.

    The gospels themselves aren't funny. The spin of centuries of Christianity is funny. We are trained not to think of Jesus as a real person. He becomes JC, Superstar. Hocus Pocus.

  • shepherd
    shepherd

    "I can identify Jesus for you. He is so gay it's hard to miss him. His toga is imported and seamless and his beard is kept well trimmed and his walk is so light you would think he was walking on water." But the priests were not so sure, after all Peter and John were his bosom buddies and looked pretty gay too, unless that was just because they were from Galillee. "I know, I'll go with you", Judas said, "and I'll go up to him and kiss him. Once you see that passionate kiss there will be no doubt!" So they agreed and went looking for Jesus. However, the kiss was so hot that Peter got extemely jealous and went wild. He even nicked a slaves ear, but Jesus spat on the tiny cut and kissed it better. The slave was so embarrased he declined to press charges.

  • jam
    jam

    Band on the Run; That,s interesting, (they note that

    he never did anything like undo A beheading). That,s

    right up there with rasing the dead. You wonder what

    happen to the guy, did he become A christian after Jesus

    reattach his ear. That would have convince me.

    Shepherd; Interesting spin.

  • jam
    jam

    Sorry folks, I,am guilty of reading somthing in the scriptures

    that is not there. Luke 22;51,"And he touched his ear

    and healed him." He did not reattach the ear. He healed

    the wound. Is that correct.

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    AGuest: Yes after reading the account I realize it was the temple guards, but at John 18;3 " So Judas, procuring A band of soldiers and some officers from the chief priest and the Pharisees, went there with lanterns and torches and weapons. The question, who were the soldiers that Judas procured. I don,t think the Jews had A army.

    Again, it was the temple guard, dear Jay (and, again, peace to you!)... however, Herod (the Jewish king) apparently had SOME kind of an army... men... at his disposal. Otherwise, who killed the young children when he was looking for my Lord (come ON, people... THINK!).

    But this was the guard related to the Jewish COURT... the Sanhedrin. What court doesn't have bailiffs, etc., to ARREST those who violate the law? And that is what my Lord was accused of: violating the Law [of Moses]... by calling himself the Son of God. They came... to ARREST him. What you might be missing that an "army" today... usually means a national military body; however, back then, the "miliary" included the local police (kind of does today, as well, but we don't tend to see it that way).

    Thus, he was arrested... "taken into CUSTODY"... and delivered up to CAIAPHAS, the high PRIEST, the "chief" PRIESTS, the scribes, and the older men... all of whom made up the SANHEDRIN... the Jewish "Supreme Court."

    He did not reattach the ear. He healed the wound. Is that correct.

    No, dear one: he reattached the severed ear. Picked it up and put it back. Hence, no ear laying on the ground afterward.

    Wow, we have an eyewitness who can fill in the details not mentioned in the Bible. Aren't we fortunate?

    Indeed, we ARE [fortunate], dear BOTR (peace to you!), although I suspect some, perhaps even yourself, don't realize just HOW fortunate. The very One we're all discussing here WAS there... of course! And so, rather than us opining and speculating and wondering... we COULD just go to him... and ASK. I did - I mean, I prefer to get information like this directly from the horse's mouth, so to speak... rather than listen to what others may... ummmmm... "surmise" to have occurred.

    When I was in very bad pain, I read countless books on Jesus and healing.

    Yes, doing that will certainly get you to know the truth about these things. Even though not a one of the writers were there. But, you were "fortunate" to have so many books TO read... even if they didn't leave you knowing anything more after you read them than when you started. But, you were fortunate to even be able to read them... you know, while you were in such pain. I am truly sorry for that... your pain...

    They note that he never did anything like undo a beheading.

    A beheading cannot be corrected like a severed ear, dear one. The latter can be done by means of a healing - the first, however, would require a resurrection. Which would require a head. You know... TO resurrect (what is the point of resurrecting a headless body?). Assuming everyone's [thinking] about dear John [the Baptizer]... while my Lord did have access to John's body... he did not have John's head. That was in the possession of the adulterous Herodias, the woman who called for it.

    I am imploring you, dear ones... THINK. And if you can't think... then ASK. There really is NO need for you to continue taking your own minds around and around in all of these... circles. That is, unless you WANT to... because it gives you some kind of "pleasure." Personally, I don't care for it.

    Again, peace to you!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    You know, this does bring up how ridiculously weak the Watchtower arguments are on "why did Jesus tell the disciples to have a sword on hand?"

    I never could make any sense out of how they answered that one...

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    I never could make any sense out of how they answered that one...

    Yeah... lions, right, dear JW (peace to you!)? Sure. People carried swords back then for the same reason early American cowboys carried guns: robbers (think, the account of the "Good Samaritan"). Highwaymen were everywhere... and my Lord couldn't take a chance that what was destined to occur would be delayed, etc. I find the comments about the man only having his ear cut off because he perhaps deftly dogded Peter's blow, interesting. Peter only cut off his ear. Says a lot, IMHO, about PETER'S skills... WITH a sword: either he was really bad with a sword... or really GOOD.

    It was the latter, of course: a man whose skill with a sword was either recent, minimal... or limited to warding off/putting down large felines... would have cut off more than an ear. Maybe not a head but certainly a shoulder/arm. Those swords were HEAVY... and the downstroke alone would have gone past the ear in the hands of an inexperienced swordsman.

    But... well, maybe we just watch too many movies (where swords are made of something other than iron/steel)...

    Again, peace to you!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    A Guest,

    I could not care less about your approval in reading books. It seems to me that others are n ot interested in whether I have your approval or not. This was a fun, light hearted thread. Drama.

    Thought: If the NT incident is reported accurately, why did not the soldiers bow down and worship Jesus, singing alleulias. This would prevent the resurrection. What if they were so moved that they threw their old lifes away and decided to become disciples. They could have spirited Jesus safely to another land. No Passion. No Resurrection. It is funny, too, that Paul is always cerebral and Peter always hot headed and passionate in film and TV.

    I can't picture Paul telling a joke but he must have. It would be amazing for a time warp to develop as in Star Trek and I could meet the real people. I had many opportunities to meet John Lennon individually and never pressed it. I would rather be a distant fan than a fan who was cursed at. Imagine Jesus or Paul not measuring up to my expectations.

  • moshe
    moshe

    Arresting Jesus on the night of Passover and then taking him to the Sanhedrin for a trial is, well, ridiculous. All Jews would be celebrating Passover that night and having a trial that night just wouldn't be-uh, kosher, when it could be done on another day. It wasn't an emergency. Just imagine the Pope holding a business meeting with the Cardinals right after Xmas eve Mass- get my point? This story is Christian folklore for the uneducated crowd. Jesus should have performed a miracle like that in daylight- if he could heal an ear that was chopped off, why not a missing arm, leg, eye, and regrow hair on a bald head? Now, Jesus' miracle hair restoration would have ensured he would have been a popular prophet indeed.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Moshe,

    You are correct about the Sanhedrin trial. Their wives would be livid if they were not home in time for the Seder. Also, I don't think the gospels portray the trial as a pressing concern that could not have postponed a few days. I still have faith but myths, whether true or not, don't hold up to much scrutiny. Reading Jungian analysis of fairy tales and stories, I am always amazed b/c I just read a literal story.

    You know JC had lustrous, thick dark blonde hair to go along with his blue eyes.

    I saw a Rembrandt and the faces of Jesus art exhibit a few weeks ago. He was one of the first Protestant painters and lived in a Jewish neighborhood. He used live models. His face seems so comforting. The Middle Ages and Italian painters scare me. The Renaissance is not bad. I used to hate walking through the medieval wing and passing uber spooky Jesus all over the place. Mary looked so ugly, too. She was the epitome of beauty then.

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