Is anybody trying to learn the truth of the bible after leaving JW?

by EndofMysteries 62 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  sizemik

  Revealing that if you believed in spiritual, it would be "good". . . . N.drew

  No . . . that if you believed in spiritual, it would be acutely perceptive . . . and I was being facetious, as I'm sure even you can see the logical fallacy in that. I don't accept that spirituality, acute perception and "good" are synonymous.

  And it is NOT mindedness, it's behavior. . . . N.drew

  All behaviour is a product of the mind and it's perceptions . . . even "mindless" behaviour. The only exception is lying perfectly still when you're dead . . . this type of behaviour does not require thought, which is a fortunate coincidence.
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  steve2

  Steve2, the bible could also perhaps be revealing that what everyone thought up till now was God's actions and directions were those of someone else. It's

  a big possibility.

  Um, good try, in the suggestion that the obvious message is not the real one. However, it was the Jewish God YHWH who is recorded as ordering the slaughter of entire peoples who lived in the so-called Promised Land, including old men and women and babies.

  Besides, your comment is spookily close to parents who imply, "My children are mine when they do good, but when they do bad, they're not mine". Convenient and untrue at the same time.
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  lilbluekitty

  I'm searching for the truth in the Bible too...it seems to be leading me toward my husband's new church but I'm not sure yet. I'm just re-reading the whole NT in the NIV bible. I may read some other translations as well, minus King James because I can't understand it.
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  OnTheWayOut

  Onthewayout - As for the old testament not foretelling anything, it foretold that Israel would be scattered throughout the earth, it foretold in the future that they would be brought back as a nation.

  Repeating: I am not going to enter into debate with you, for you don't seem to want that. Good luck with your search for "the truth of the Bible."
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  Ding

  EndofMysteries,

  I've sent you a PM.
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  N.drew

  All behaviour is a product of the mind and it's perceptions . . . even "mindless" behaviour. The only exception is lying perfectly still when you're dead . . . this type of behaviour does not require thought, which is a fortunate coincidence.

  I think I disagree. Some behavior seems to be against the mind. I will confess I have fought bad with the husband. I KNEW it was wrong. I KNEW nothing good was going to come from fighting. I HAD promised myself not to be reeled in. I WATCHED myself in horror as I turned into a....I don't know what it's called... So were was my brain? Why does it desert me? Is desert and desert the same?
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  iCeltic

  Reeled in, I like it. Always the mans fault eh ;)
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  EndofMysteries

  Here are some scriptures Steve2 to show how it might not be such an 'obvious' message that everything in the bible is from God or all their dealings.

  ( 2 Samuel 24:1 ) - "Now again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and it incited David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah."

  ( 1 Chronicles 21:1 ) - "Then Satan stood up against Israel and moved David to number Israel." (so who did it, God, Satan or is it saying God is Satan?)

  Daniel 4:25 is about what would happen if the king of babylon took credit to himself for amassing a great kingdom, he would become as a beast until he realised that the most high is the "ruler of the kingdom of mankind" and to who he wants to give rulership he does. (So God is who made babylon great?)

  Who then was offering Jesus the kingdoms of the earth if he would worship? Was God controllig it as Daniel 4:25 says, or Satan, or were they the same?

  Also recall Jesus own words, for example about sin and the girl they were going to stone, he said, "you had been told, BUT". They were commanded to stone her, but why did he stop them from doing that?

  Who did he say their father was?

  Look back to Stefan the first martyr, and also what's quoted in Isaiah, about the sacrifices and everything not being commanded from God, but that they were following someone else, a false god. There is also a scripture that said after Israel sacrificed to the golden calf, God handed them over to "the army of the heavens", to render sacred service to them.

  There is much much more, but just showing that there is a possibility the bible is exposing a dark secret as well.
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  sizemik

  I HAD promised myself not to be reeled in. I WATCHED myself in horror as I turned into a....I don't know what it's called... So were was my brain? . . . N.drew

  It was in the same place all along . . . it was your behaviour, nobody elses. Funny thing . . . I apply the same sentiment when looking back on my JW experience. Do you think I should apply it in the future?

  Incidentally . . . what exactly do you do with a piece of shit in the desert?
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  rebel8

  I explored that when I left dubbery because I am an inquisitive person and don't take other people's word for what is true (without verifying it myself).

  I explored other religions and philosophies too, because like most people, I wanted to believe.

  What became painfully obvious is religions are created by man. Humans didn't know how to understand nature so they made up stories (Thor makes thunder, Jehovah brings locusts).

  Then it just morphs and morphs. People make up whatever they want to believe. Like xians claiming, "God loves you". Their holy book, which they believe was essentially written by God, does not say that (consistently, at least). evilbible.com

  The truth is, there is no evidence for the existence of the supernatural world, past or present. Despite all the advances in technology (cameras, etc.) still no evidence has been found. Once you accept that fact, you can be free to really explore how to be a good person and live a life worth meaning.