A Question for those who have trust in the Bible/Jesus..

by The Quiet One 94 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • jonathan dough
    jonathan dough

    I was just wondering how anyone can put faith in Jesus, a character in a book where even the only eyewitness accounts we have disagree with each other on these very important details.. "Who found the empty tomb? A. According to Matthew 28:1 , only "Mary Magdalene and the other Mary." B. According to Mark 16:1 , "Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome." C. According to Luke 23:55, 24:1 and 24:10, "the women who had come with him out of Galilee." Among these women were "Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James." Luke indicates in verse 24:10 that there were at least two others. D. According to John 20:1-4 , Mary Magdalene went to the tomb alone, saw the stone removed, ran to find Peter, and returned to the tomb with Peter and another disciple.

    There are no contradictions here. You're just not reading it properly, and reading too much, or not enough, into what John wrote.

    You're assuming, based on John 20:1-4 that Mary went alone, but it doesn't say that anywhere; you're inserting that word. Start with Luke 24:10 and it makes sense. Just because John mentioned Mary Magdalane and not the others, and wanted to emphasize her, doesn't mean the others weren't there as well.

    Begin with Luke and Mark and you'll see that it was a group that included Mary, the other Mary, and Salome, Joanna, and others. Based on this group, it is therefore true that a) Mary Magdalene went to the tomb; nothing indicates she went alone, b) Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James, and Salome went to the tomb, because they were part of the group, and c) all the women, plus some unnamed went to the tomb. It was a group. There's no contradiction.

    2. Who did they find at the tomb? A. According to Matthew 28:2-4 , an angel of the Lord with an appearance like lightning was sitting on the stone that had been rolled away. Also present were the guards that Pilate had contributed. On the way back from the tomb the women meet Jesus ( Matthew 28:9 ). B. According to Mark 16:5 , a young man in a white robe was sitting inside the tomb. C. According to Luke 24:4 , two men in dazzling apparel. It is not clear if the men were inside the tomb or outside of it.

    D. According to John 20:4-14 , Mary and Peter and the other disciple initially find just an empty tomb. Peter and the other disciple enter the tomb and find only the wrappings. Then Peter and the other disciple leave and Mary looks in the tomb to find two angels in white. After a short conversation with the angels, Mary turns around to find Jesus."

    Again, there is no contradiction. You're just can't see what is being said, and aren't analyzing it properly, and reading too much into it, or not enough. You're assuming that the young man inside and the angel who rolled away the stone on the outside are the same, but they're not. The outside angel who rolled away the stone told the women in verse 6 "Come and see the place where he lay," indicating, obviously that he went inside the tomb with them, where they found the young man, also an angel. Thus, there are two men in dazzling apparel, at first one outside and one inside, and then both inside.

    The fact that they are called men does not mean they are not angels, which they clearly were. Recall the men who approached Abraham, two of them journeying on to Lot? They also were angels. No contradiction. Mark never claimed there was no more than one angel, and John's perspective was what Mary Magdalene saw while she was alone; Mark, on the other hand, wrote about what all the women saw. You're also assuming incorrectly, that the two angels must have made themselves visible to Peter and the other disciple, that there is a contradiction, though it's clear they chose not to appear to the men. For reasons unknown they didn't materialize to the men, but that is no grounds for claiming a contradiction. http://144000.110mb.com/trinity/index.html

  • N.drew
    N.drew

    @N.drew-- So, just to make sure I understand.. You don't believe that the Bible should be trusted to guide you, but you trust the parts that tell you nice things about a loving God, ignoring anything you see that could contradict this as 'bad food'? Or does Yaheshua tell you which parts of the Bible are true and which parts were left in the Bible to confuse/mislead people? Thanks.

    God is a spirit. The bible is not a spirit. We don't NEED the bible to believe in a creator. There is no "bad food" in it that I am aware of. It is HOW some people perceive it that can be bad. Take for instance the Watchtower Society. They use it for bad. It isn't bad. To view it as a bad thing because some people misuse it is the same, imo, as blaming a person who is raped for that rape. It's not the Bible's fault that it is misunderstood. It is the reader's fault.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    If J.K. Rowling never wrote a book, there would be no Harry Potter.

  • N.drew
    N.drew

    That is a good point Mad Sweeney.

    But love is real. So if there was no history of JC there would still be love for the creator and a feeling of understanding I might be you. Somebody else might have imagined maybe we all are one, cloned. So if I hurt you, then I am hurting myself. If I am kind to you, it will come around back to me....

    And let's not forget Earth. It is about time that people understand we might be using it up unconscionably. How to find inner peace regarding all that bull shit. The answer is the spirit. But the spirit wants to communicate and we do too. Thus, the Bible!

  • tec
    tec

    It's not the Bible's fault that it is misunderstood. It is the reader's fault.
    Or the scribes (lying pen of the scribes - woe to you scribes), the teachers who don't understand themselves, and so teach falsely, perhaps to promote their own agenda (such as religions, so-called experts, etc.) Blind leading the blind sort of thing.

    The Quiet One, I think the point that Ding was making is that people see and remember different details... but the main event still happened, and they all reported the same on that. If someone jumped off a bridge to committ suicide, there will be both similar and different details if there are multiple witnesses. But that doesn't change the fact that they all saw a person jump off the bridge; some perhaps even spoke to that person. Even if the body is never found (rough waters, or whatever), that event isn't likely to be doubted - though some probably still would.

    Peace to you both,

    Tammy

  • ShadesofGrey
    ShadesofGrey

    Why do Non-Christians never seem to get that I had the bible, I had religion for 25 years of my life and I never experienced the Spirit of God that way?

    I have a friend who had JW religion she was raised in, then the freedom of atheism, then added in the Buddhist religion for 15 years, and she never experienced the Spirit of God in any of those ways.

    Nothing made such changes in our lives, not wishful thinking, not religion, not freedom from religion, not meditation, not praying to the wrong/fake god, not a placebo. None of these things caused us to find God.

    Christ. Only Christ.

  • tec
    tec

    Christ. Only Christ.

  • tec
    tec

    Christ. Only Christ.

  • tec
    tec

    Woops. Guess that was worth two thumbs up :P

  • ShadesofGrey
    ShadesofGrey

    YAY! I got a thumbs up! Thanks Tammy!

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